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Benchmarks show a passively cooled M1 out performing Apple's highest end laptops with actively-cooled 8-core 9i CPUs.

africanboy 6y ago
I think you meant i9 M1 wins in single core benchmarks, but it loses in multi core. Also, it beats 9th generation i9 for mobile, not the newer ones (that are still 14nm Vs the 5nm of the M1) I'm not an Intel fan and I think it lost edge over the years, but M1 doesn't beat the i9 in pure performances, only in controlled benchmarks where the conditions are favourable to M1 Of course the M1 on Apple laptops are faster than every other Apple laptop, but that's only natural. https://www.anandtech.com/show/16252/mac-mini-apple-m1-tested/5 https://www.anandtech.com/show/16252/mac-mini-apple-m1-teste... EDIT: for the downvoters An image is worth thousands words https://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph16252/119365.png https://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph16252/119365.png
- africanboy 6y ago
  I love the fact that Apple zealots are the new Talibans I wonder why they don't apply as a religion, scientologists are more open minded... p.s. did anybody notice that he wrote 9i, a CPU that does not exist?
  - sradman 6y ago
    From the Hacker News Guidelines [1], in comments: > Be kind. Don't be snarky. Have curious conversation; don't cross-examine. Please don't fulminate. Please don't sneer, including at the rest of the community. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
    - africanboy 6y ago
      I'm always kind. But if I post a graph and Apple zealots downvote me because the graph contradicts their belief, what's the kind way to expose "zealousness"? Should I ask for forgiveness in front of God Steve? Or should I be judged and punished by the San Cupertino Tribunal of the Holy Office of the Inquisition? What I understand is that being a cult is not against HN guidelines. Which is ok, but at least don't blame me for seeing it... p.s. did you notice that OP wrote 9i which is a CPU that does not exist? Can you correct someone else's mistake on HN when it's from a member of the Sparro...ehm Apple cult?
      - sradman 6y ago
        Unilateral kindness in the face of unkindness, is the key here I think. Read the four paragraphs following the graphs in your AnandTech link and square that interpretation with your own. Yes I did notice that the OP wrote 9i and in the context of the thread I knew exactly what they were referring to. A charitable interpretation is a typo or autocorrect while typing on a mobile device, maybe from someone who has written about Oracle 9i before.
adrian_b 6y ago
Apple's laptops have always been extremely slow compared to alternatives, so it was very easy for Apple to do better. In single-thread performance Apple M1 at 3.2 GHz is equal with Intel Tiger Lake @ 4.8 GHz or AMD Zen 3 @ 4.8 GHz (e.g. scores around 1750 in GeekBench 5 ST), but while consuming more than 3 times less per core. While the higher energy efficiency is impressive, it does not matter much in a laptop, where enough power is available. It will matter only in the future, when Apple will include enough cores in its CPUs, to be able to exploit the higher TDP available in a laptop. On the other hand, if the power consumption of Tiger Lake / Zen 3 is reduced to be equal with that of Apple M1, their clock frequency is reduced from 4.8 GHz to around 3.5 GHz ... 3.6 GHz, remaining higher than that of M1 (which does more work per clock cycle). Therefore at equal power per core Apple M1 is faster, but only by around 35%. This advantage is not enough to enable 4+4 Apple cores to match 8 Intel/AMD cores. In conclusion, the laptops that will be launched in early 2021, with 8-core Tiger Lake H or AMD Cezanne, will have the same single-thread performance as Apple M1, but higher multi-thread performance. The slower laptops with AMD Renoir already have better multi-thread performance. Moreover, while Apple M1 has an average IPC 1.5 times higher than the average IPC of Intel/AMD, which enables high scores in benchmarks like SPEC or GeekBench, in computational benchmarks with optimized programs that have higher IPC than the average IPC, Apple M1 is disadvantaged and it is slower in single-thread than even an old Ryzen 7 3700X, unlike in single-thread SPEC or GeekBench, where you need a new Ryzen 9 5900X to exceed the Apple M1 performance.
- sradman 6y ago
  > This advantage is not enough to enable 4+4 Apple cores to match 8 Intel/AMD cores. The M1 is a hybrid 4+4 big.LITTLE SoC and it is the first of its kind that is competitive with the 8+0 pure big Intel and AMD chips. The M1 has a .LITTLE side that gives it battery powered efficiencies comparable to tablets. This is a very balanced general purpose hybrid architecture. It will be interesting to see the technical strategies used in response.

I think you meant i9 M1 wins in single core benchmarks, but it loses in multi core. Also, it beats 9th generation i9 for mobile, not the newer ones (that are still 14nm Vs the 5nm of the M1) I'm not an Intel fan and I think it lost edge over the years, but M1 doesn't beat the i9 in pure performances, only in controlled benchmarks where the conditions are favourable to M1 Of course the M1 on Apple laptops are faster than every other Apple laptop, but that's only natural. https://www.anandtech.com/show/16252/mac-mini-apple-m1-tested/5 https://www.anandtech.com/show/16252/mac-mini-apple-m1-teste... EDIT: for the downvoters An image is worth thousands words https://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph16252/119365.png https://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph16252/119365.png

africanboy 6y ago
I love the fact that Apple zealots are the new Talibans I wonder why they don't apply as a religion, scientologists are more open minded... p.s. did anybody notice that he wrote 9i, a CPU that does not exist?
- sradman 6y ago
  From the Hacker News Guidelines [1], in comments: > Be kind. Don't be snarky. Have curious conversation; don't cross-examine. Please don't fulminate. Please don't sneer, including at the rest of the community. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - africanboy 6y ago
    I'm always kind. But if I post a graph and Apple zealots downvote me because the graph contradicts their belief, what's the kind way to expose "zealousness"? Should I ask for forgiveness in front of God Steve? Or should I be judged and punished by the San Cupertino Tribunal of the Holy Office of the Inquisition? What I understand is that being a cult is not against HN guidelines. Which is ok, but at least don't blame me for seeing it... p.s. did you notice that OP wrote 9i which is a CPU that does not exist? Can you correct someone else's mistake on HN when it's from a member of the Sparro...ehm Apple cult?
    - sradman 6y ago
      Unilateral kindness in the face of unkindness, is the key here I think. Read the four paragraphs following the graphs in your AnandTech link and square that interpretation with your own. Yes I did notice that the OP wrote 9i and in the context of the thread I knew exactly what they were referring to. A charitable interpretation is a typo or autocorrect while typing on a mobile device, maybe from someone who has written about Oracle 9i before.

adrian_b 6y ago

Apple's laptops have always been extremely slow compared to alternatives, so it was very easy for Apple to do better. In single-thread performance Apple M1 at 3.2 GHz is equal with Intel Tiger Lake @ 4.8 GHz or AMD Zen 3 @ 4.8 GHz (e.g. scores around 1750 in GeekBench 5 ST), but while consuming more than 3 times less per core. While the higher energy efficiency is impressive, it does not matter much in a laptop, where enough power is available. It will matter only in the future, when Apple will include enough cores in its CPUs, to be able to exploit the higher TDP available in a laptop. On the other hand, if the power consumption of Tiger Lake / Zen 3 is reduced to be equal with that of Apple M1, their clock frequency is reduced from 4.8 GHz to around 3.5 GHz ... 3.6 GHz, remaining higher than that of M1 (which does more work per clock cycle). Therefore at equal power per core Apple M1 is faster, but only by around 35%. This advantage is not enough to enable 4+4 Apple cores to match 8 Intel/AMD cores. In conclusion, the laptops that will be launched in early 2021, with 8-core Tiger Lake H or AMD Cezanne, will have the same single-thread performance as Apple M1, but higher multi-thread performance. The slower laptops with AMD Renoir already have better multi-thread performance. Moreover, while Apple M1 has an average IPC 1.5 times higher than the average IPC of Intel/AMD, which enables high scores in benchmarks like SPEC or GeekBench, in computational benchmarks with optimized programs that have higher IPC than the average IPC, Apple M1 is disadvantaged and it is slower in single-thread than even an old Ryzen 7 3700X, unlike in single-thread SPEC or GeekBench, where you need a new Ryzen 9 5900X to exceed the Apple M1 performance.

sradman 6y ago
> This advantage is not enough to enable 4+4 Apple cores to match 8 Intel/AMD cores. The M1 is a hybrid 4+4 big.LITTLE SoC and it is the first of its kind that is competitive with the 8+0 pure big Intel and AMD chips. The M1 has a .LITTLE side that gives it battery powered efficiencies comparable to tablets. This is a very balanced general purpose hybrid architecture. It will be interesting to see the technical strategies used in response.