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Problem 1) Many people don't live in houses. Problem 2) Free charging at work or elsewhere ends once a significant share of people utilize it Problem 3) electr

Problem 1) Many people don't live in houses. Problem 2) Free charging at work or elsewhere ends once a significant share of people utilize it Problem 3) electric grid can't handle the amount of capacity needed, not by a long shot. If petroleum didn't already exist we'd be trying to create it.

hinkley 6y ago
There are quite a few urban areas with single occupant houses but without driveways. Most people wouldn’t want to install a charger out in their parking strip, on general principle - too exposed. Running high current wires out into the front yard and under the sidewalk would also be a mess. And that’s all ignoring the fact that the city owns the parking strip, not you, and I don’t think they’re going to be interested in having that kind of equipment in their space.
- rootusrootus 6y ago
  > I don’t think they’re going to be interested in having that kind of equipment in their space. Aren't some cities (LA comes to mind) installing level 2 chargers along the street?
  - hinkley 6y ago
    That's a good point. I think it's qualitatively different for a city to decide to build charging stations on 'their' property versus a private citizen. There's also no guarantee they'll put it in front of my house. Or if long-term that's what I want (now I get home from work late and some other EV is parked in front of my house? How do I feel about that if I have an early meeting tomorrow?)
ogre_codes 6y ago
> If petroleum didn't already exist we'd be trying to create it. You are forgetting about the power of NIMBY! If gasoline weren't already a vital piece of infrastructure, nobody would allow a gas station to be built in their neighborhood. Any time someone tried to build one, the pile of litigation would bury the prospective builder. This is already an issue and our society has largely taken the risks of having (literal) toxic waste at the end of their block.
- viraptor 6y ago
  NIMBY like that is only a problem in a specific environment. My gas station is 5min drive away, which in practice means out of town. Even bigger cities around here have more industrial/commercial areas. It have the gas stations attached to shopping centres. So I don't think NIMBY would affect the introduction of petrol.

hinkley 6y ago

There are quite a few urban areas with single occupant houses but without driveways. Most people wouldn’t want to install a charger out in their parking strip, on general principle - too exposed. Running high current wires out into the front yard and under the sidewalk would also be a mess. And that’s all ignoring the fact that the city owns the parking strip, not you, and I don’t think they’re going to be interested in having that kind of equipment in their space.

rootusrootus 6y ago
> I don’t think they’re going to be interested in having that kind of equipment in their space. Aren't some cities (LA comes to mind) installing level 2 chargers along the street?
- hinkley 6y ago
  That's a good point. I think it's qualitatively different for a city to decide to build charging stations on 'their' property versus a private citizen. There's also no guarantee they'll put it in front of my house. Or if long-term that's what I want (now I get home from work late and some other EV is parked in front of my house? How do I feel about that if I have an early meeting tomorrow?)

ogre_codes 6y ago

> If petroleum didn't already exist we'd be trying to create it. You are forgetting about the power of NIMBY! If gasoline weren't already a vital piece of infrastructure, nobody would allow a gas station to be built in their neighborhood. Any time someone tried to build one, the pile of litigation would bury the prospective builder. This is already an issue and our society has largely taken the risks of having (literal) toxic waste at the end of their block.

viraptor 6y ago
NIMBY like that is only a problem in a specific environment. My gas station is 5min drive away, which in practice means out of town. Even bigger cities around here have more industrial/commercial areas. It have the gas stations attached to shopping centres. So I don't think NIMBY would affect the introduction of petrol.