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>Health: again, see pretty much all the research ever. Eating a plant based diet is so much better for weight, health, BMI, etc etc etc It took me 5 minutes of

>Health: again, see pretty much all the research ever. Eating a plant based diet is so much better for weight, health, BMI, etc etc etc It took me 5 minutes of Googling to find articles that refute this from all kinds of credible sources. Going vegetarian might be a step up from the average Americans diet, but I think you'd be hard pressed to find any research that demonstrates plant-based diets are any better than a balanced diet that includes meat protein.

dmje 6y ago
I dunno what Google you're using but it took me half a minute to get to multiple sources suggesting vegetarians are on average healthier, have lower BMI, lower incidents of common cancers and more. Obviously balance probably trumps everything as it always does but there's imo fairly compelling evidence in the non meat direction, on average, for most people. But once again may I stress that for me it's a whole range of factors that make this compelling, not just one.
- itsoktocry 6y ago
  The fact that you can find studies that say that is a long way away from your claim that all research says that.
Nkuna 6y ago
Typical American/prominent meat diet population: Obese, cardiovascular issues, cancers, highly dependent on meds, health outcomes determined by income Most Asian/plant based diet population: quite healthy, live longer, less pill popping and more homeopathic traditional meds. Forget googling studies. Read about the China Study: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_China_Study https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_China_Study Even without studies, ask yourself why you most likely have a relative or know someone who's died from heart disease or a cancer and that likelihood plummets when looking at those that eat less or no meat? Then look at populations where meat consumption has gone up in the past few decades and certain cancers and cardiovascular diseases have gone up in tandem? Buuuuuut can't let anyone stand in between you and your Whopper®, right?!
- rewq4321 6y ago
  I'm plant-based, and your comment is embarassing. > homeopathic traditional meds Jesus. Really? The is no evidence that homeopathy is effective at treating anything. On the other hand there's a mountain of evidence that people who eat no meat, or less than once per week live significantly longer. See citations on this[0] wiki page. The studies control for a bunch of different lifestyle factors including smoking, exercise level, and so on. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vegetarianism#Longevity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vegetarianism#Longevity
  - Nkuna 6y ago
    See my response to OP. Also, shut up!
- itsoktocry 6y ago
  >Typical American I'm not American, so who cares. But some of the highest life expectancy in the world are European countries. I certainly don't see "Asia" (lol) as a standout. >Even without studies, ask yourself... Not interested in anecdata or hocus pocus. >Buuuuuut can't let anyone stand in between you and your Whopper®, right?! See, the difference between you and me is that I don't care what you choose to eat. Meanwhile, you feel the need to shame and lie and impose your preferences on others. It's why "annoying vegetarian" is a meme.
  - rewq4321 6y ago
    You missed the most cringe part of that comment: > homeopathic traditional meds That said, if you think that lower meat consumption isn't correlated with increased life expectancy, then you should read this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vegetarianism#Longevity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vegetarianism#Longevity You can control for a bunch of lifestyle factors like smoking and exercise level, and the correlation still exists. It uncontroversial at this point - which is why every major national dietetics association (don't confuse them with "nutritionists") has a position statement on plant-based diets saying that they're as healthy or healthier than regular diets. And with UFC fighters[0], NBA planers, national weightlifting champtions[1], world-record-holding powerlifters[2], and so on eating plant-based diets, it's getting harder to make the "okay, sure you live longer, but you probably sacrifice strength/vigor/etc throughout your life" claim. [0] https://www.mensjournal.com/sports/nate-diaz-and-other-vegan-ufc-fighters-w199323 https://www.mensjournal.com/sports/nate-diaz-and-other-vegan... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kendrick_Farris https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kendrick_Farris [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrik_Baboumian https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrik_Baboumian

dmje 6y ago

I dunno what Google you're using but it took me half a minute to get to multiple sources suggesting vegetarians are on average healthier, have lower BMI, lower incidents of common cancers and more. Obviously balance probably trumps everything as it always does but there's imo fairly compelling evidence in the non meat direction, on average, for most people. But once again may I stress that for me it's a whole range of factors that make this compelling, not just one.

itsoktocry 6y ago
The fact that you can find studies that say that is a long way away from your claim that all research says that.

Nkuna 6y ago

Typical American/prominent meat diet population: Obese, cardiovascular issues, cancers, highly dependent on meds, health outcomes determined by income Most Asian/plant based diet population: quite healthy, live longer, less pill popping and more homeopathic traditional meds. Forget googling studies. Read about the China Study: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_China_Study https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_China_Study Even without studies, ask yourself why you most likely have a relative or know someone who's died from heart disease or a cancer and that likelihood plummets when looking at those that eat less or no meat? Then look at populations where meat consumption has gone up in the past few decades and certain cancers and cardiovascular diseases have gone up in tandem? Buuuuuut can't let anyone stand in between you and your Whopper®, right?!

rewq4321 6y ago
I'm plant-based, and your comment is embarassing. > homeopathic traditional meds Jesus. Really? The is no evidence that homeopathy is effective at treating anything. On the other hand there's a mountain of evidence that people who eat no meat, or less than once per week live significantly longer. See citations on this[0] wiki page. The studies control for a bunch of different lifestyle factors including smoking, exercise level, and so on. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vegetarianism#Longevity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vegetarianism#Longevity
- Nkuna 6y ago
  See my response to OP. Also, shut up!
itsoktocry 6y ago
>Typical American I'm not American, so who cares. But some of the highest life expectancy in the world are European countries. I certainly don't see "Asia" (lol) as a standout. >Even without studies, ask yourself... Not interested in anecdata or hocus pocus. >Buuuuuut can't let anyone stand in between you and your Whopper®, right?! See, the difference between you and me is that I don't care what you choose to eat. Meanwhile, you feel the need to shame and lie and impose your preferences on others. It's why "annoying vegetarian" is a meme.
- rewq4321 6y ago
  You missed the most cringe part of that comment: > homeopathic traditional meds That said, if you think that lower meat consumption isn't correlated with increased life expectancy, then you should read this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vegetarianism#Longevity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vegetarianism#Longevity You can control for a bunch of lifestyle factors like smoking and exercise level, and the correlation still exists. It uncontroversial at this point - which is why every major national dietetics association (don't confuse them with "nutritionists") has a position statement on plant-based diets saying that they're as healthy or healthier than regular diets. And with UFC fighters[0], NBA planers, national weightlifting champtions[1], world-record-holding powerlifters[2], and so on eating plant-based diets, it's getting harder to make the "okay, sure you live longer, but you probably sacrifice strength/vigor/etc throughout your life" claim. [0] https://www.mensjournal.com/sports/nate-diaz-and-other-vegan-ufc-fighters-w199323 https://www.mensjournal.com/sports/nate-diaz-and-other-vegan... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kendrick_Farris https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kendrick_Farris [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrik_Baboumian https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrik_Baboumian