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Can you go ahead and reread the comment of mine that you are arguing against? I think you're generalizing an argument that wasn't intended to be so. Here it is
by fao_ 6y ago
Can you go ahead and reread the comment of mine that you are arguing against? I think you're generalizing an argument that wasn't intended to be so. Here it is for ease:
> Or the creator of Roko's Baselisk openly stating recently on twitter that he wants "Traditional Futurism" ("Traditional" being a traditional (heh) dogwhistle for the alt-right [rational wiki article to dog whistles])
My post was talking about a very specific group of people (The Less Wrong community, and the Neo-Reactionary movement -- although in recent years Rationalist organizations and magazines like New Humanist have distanced themselves and placed themselves in opposition to those communities), and in the case of that specific quote I think it is clear that I was talking about the meaning of "Traditional" in the context of those tweets.
I don't think it's a valid or accurate argument to generalize my call-out of the word "traditional", within that to suddenly be about every single usage, ever, of the word "traditional" -- and in the process completely ignore the associations and context of that word.
Perhaps if I had known in advance that it would be mislead, I would have written:
> "Traditional" in this case being a common dogwhistle used in neo-reactionary and pseudo-rationalist circles.
In addition, the point of dog whistles (if you read the Rational Wiki article) is that it is a signal that people outside of the culture will easily dismiss, or think benign. There is a reason that the Traditional Values Coalition[0] is called that, or the Traditional Britain Group[1] is named so. And likewise there is a reason that a major money fund in the anti-abortion movement is called "Focus on the Family"[2].
The point of using them is that they are brushed off, pushed aside, or excused in exactly the same way you are doing, by well-meaning folks who are not present in those cultures.
[0]: https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Traditional_Values_Coalition https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Traditional_Values_Coalition
[1]: https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Traditional_Britain_Group https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Traditional_Britain_Group
[2]: https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Focus_on_the_Family https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Focus_on_the_Family