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People's comments are real, and CCP's manipulation, too, is real. Mr. Ma famously claimed that 996 is a blessing of fortune [1], despite the global outcry on 9

People's comments are real, and CCP's manipulation, too, is real. Mr. Ma famously claimed that 996 is a blessing of fortune [1], despite the global outcry on 996, Jack was untouched almost entirely in the media and online circle. He probably was deemed a member of the entrepreneur class, which cannot be unethical I guess? Jack said that he is not interested in money on CCTV (the national TV station) [2], a rather hypocritical statement. He claimed that Chinese banking system works as pawnshop, while at the same time his Ant works like "payday loan". He claimed that Chinese financial system is not innovative enough, while Ant is repeating the same gambling practiced 10 years ago. Jack joked that AI is Alibaba Intelligence in front of Elon Musk. Universally ridiculed in China. Jack was a close friend of actress Zhao Wei was caught in camera of close interchanges, (Google 马云赵薇) Mrs Zhao also participate Ant IPO through her mother. She was banned from security market for misconduct [3]. After that, Jack said they were not close at all [4]. There are plenty more. Probably most were censored already. These are just the most brazen ones I suppose. Remember that Chinese were indoctrinated through Communism ideology. Mr. Ma can even appear in public is itself a proof that he is under the protection of CCP while he is still useful. An ordinary citizen, showing these behaviors, would have to worry about their personal safety at all times; and would be mocked everyday online. Not for Mr. Jack Ma though. Now let's see how far CCP wants to expose Mr. Jack Ma to the people's resentment... [1] https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/15/business/jack-ma-996-china/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/15/business/jack-ma-996-china/in... [2] https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oVi5EGbZy1A https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oVi5EGbZy1A [3] http://www.xinhuanet.com/fortune/2018-04/16/c_129851599.htm http://www.xinhuanet.com/fortune/2018-04/16/c_129851599.htm https://3g.163.com/dy/article/ED813TL60542805D.html?spss=adap_pc https://3g.163.com/dy/article/ED813TL60542805D.html?spss=ada... [4] https://m.sohu.com/a/209719774_583509/?pvid=000115_3w_a https://m.sohu.com/a/209719774_583509/?pvid=000115_3w_a

elefanten 6y ago
Can you elaborate about the "can even appear in public" and "worry about their personal safety" parts of your comment? I'm curious and not sure I understand if I'm taking them correctly. Are you saying that a sufficiently unpopular public figure would have a high likelihood of being physically attacked on the street?
- justicezyx 6y ago
  If an public figure is considered responsible for things that harm public or people in general, then they might be target of prank or minor assault. See Baidu's Robin Li was poured water on stage [1]. Because, Baidu allowed advertisers to buy out their social groups TieBa. They then can operate the group as if that they are ordinary netizens, and publish ADs literally as normal posts. Chinese netizens routinely make threats to public figures who make statements that are contradicting to common Orthodox. Mrs. Zhao Wei, the one I already mentioned above, and elsewhere in other posts, was once attacked by poops, because she wore clothes that has the imperial Japanese flag [3]. Then take a look at this [4], a teen used Ant's personal loan, and cannot repay, so she runs away, then her mom committed suicide. Similar incidents happened a lot... I am fairly sure that, some young Chinese vigilante, after reading this, had the conviction that Mr. Jack Ma probably is a bad man, and they are compelled to do something about it. [1] https://amp.scmp.com/tech/tech-leaders-and-founders/article/3017030/baidus-robin-li-has-bottle-water-tipped-over-him https://amp.scmp.com/tech/tech-leaders-and-founders/article/... [2] https://zhuanlan.zhihu.com/p/90762149 https://zhuanlan.zhihu.com/p/90762149 [3] https://www.scmp.com/article/365213/pop-star-under-fire-posing-outfit-japanese-flag https://www.scmp.com/article/365213/pop-star-under-fire-posi... [4] https://www.zhihu.com/question/265454740 https://www.zhihu.com/question/265454740
- throwaway189262 6y ago
  In China if you get on the wrong side of somebody powerful it's worse than jail, you end up disappearing to a "re-education camp" for an indeterminate amount of time. Jail is for foreigners and well known people they want to silence, when they need to pretend there's a real justice system. There's plenty of firsthand accounts of this stuff happening on the internet.

elefanten 6y ago

Can you elaborate about the "can even appear in public" and "worry about their personal safety" parts of your comment? I'm curious and not sure I understand if I'm taking them correctly. Are you saying that a sufficiently unpopular public figure would have a high likelihood of being physically attacked on the street?

justicezyx 6y ago
If an public figure is considered responsible for things that harm public or people in general, then they might be target of prank or minor assault. See Baidu's Robin Li was poured water on stage [1]. Because, Baidu allowed advertisers to buy out their social groups TieBa. They then can operate the group as if that they are ordinary netizens, and publish ADs literally as normal posts. Chinese netizens routinely make threats to public figures who make statements that are contradicting to common Orthodox. Mrs. Zhao Wei, the one I already mentioned above, and elsewhere in other posts, was once attacked by poops, because she wore clothes that has the imperial Japanese flag [3]. Then take a look at this [4], a teen used Ant's personal loan, and cannot repay, so she runs away, then her mom committed suicide. Similar incidents happened a lot... I am fairly sure that, some young Chinese vigilante, after reading this, had the conviction that Mr. Jack Ma probably is a bad man, and they are compelled to do something about it. [1] https://amp.scmp.com/tech/tech-leaders-and-founders/article/3017030/baidus-robin-li-has-bottle-water-tipped-over-him https://amp.scmp.com/tech/tech-leaders-and-founders/article/... [2] https://zhuanlan.zhihu.com/p/90762149 https://zhuanlan.zhihu.com/p/90762149 [3] https://www.scmp.com/article/365213/pop-star-under-fire-posing-outfit-japanese-flag https://www.scmp.com/article/365213/pop-star-under-fire-posi... [4] https://www.zhihu.com/question/265454740 https://www.zhihu.com/question/265454740
throwaway189262 6y ago
In China if you get on the wrong side of somebody powerful it's worse than jail, you end up disappearing to a "re-education camp" for an indeterminate amount of time. Jail is for foreigners and well known people they want to silence, when they need to pretend there's a real justice system. There's plenty of firsthand accounts of this stuff happening on the internet.