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From what I've seen, all the media (and thus the majority of American people) 100% rag on China any chance they can get. They are public enemy number one, and a

From what I've seen, all the media (and thus the majority of American people) 100% rag on China any chance they can get. They are public enemy number one, and anti-China sentiments are popular and applauded. I don't remember the last time I've seen positive articles about China.

karmasimida 6y ago
I think China's decision to go carbon neutral by 2060 is somewhat given some positive lights, though with heavy coating of doubt.
- baud147258 6y ago
  With such a remote target, there will be at least two generations of party leadership in mainland China (assuming the system doesn't change), with different goals and priorities. If they had announced something for within 10-15 years, I would have been more hopeful it's more than a PR attempt
underseacables 6y ago
I don’t remember the last time China did anything that warranted a positive article. That is likely a direct result of the authoritarian control China holds on information. How do you report something positive when you can’t trust the source? At least in America journalists can say whatever they want. In China, they’ll be arrested, disappeared, and who knows what other barbaric acts of punishment. Simply put, by its very nature China instills mistrust, distrust, and critique.
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- boomboomsubban 6y ago
  How would you have any idea what China does except through various news articles? Why would an authoritarian control of information lead to only bad information getting out? China does not have a great government, but American coverage of it is also extreme propaganda.
  - cowsandmilk 6y ago
    There is a huge Chinese diaspora in the US with family members who still live in China. They are the source of information that most in the US rely on more than news articles.
  - underseacables 6y ago
    And what is extreme propaganda? Is the Uyghur genocide propaganda? Is the Murder of Tibetans, aggression against Taiwan, imprisonment of journalists, propaganda? Show me American propaganda that does not have a strong correlation of truth, and I’ll show you concentration camps and disappeared citizens. When was the last time the U.S. government put a doctor in prison for trying to warn others about a deadly virus? No matter the corruption of America, its corporatacracy and greed, no matter the propaganda of its politicians, nothing in the developed western world can hold a candle to the CURRENT genocide of China.
    - hungryhobo 6y ago
      What if the Uyghur genocide is indeed propaganda? How would you know? A lot of the Uyghur witness have been revealed to have ties to NED and the population of Uyghur minorities in china have increased. If there is an active genocide on the scale that's being reported, why have we not seen reports of mass exodus into neighbouring countries?
    - boomboomsubban 6y ago
      >nothing in the developed western world can hold a candle to the CURRENT genocide of China Things that the developed Western world are causing are worse though. The UN had repeatedly called the ongoing Yemen situation the largest ongoing humanitarian crisis, killing over 200,000 people with millions facing starvation. The few mentions this gets generally are only used to demonize Iran when US generals have stated that we could end this war tomorrow if we wanted to. Yet you can claim that nothing the West does can hold a candle to China's acts. That is the aim of the propaganda. Yes, China is committing atrocities. They are not alone in this and the methods suggested to combat these actions are likely going to cause far more suffering.
    - 6y ago
- franklampard 6y ago
  When you talk about China, are you talking about China as a country, or the Chinese government, or its people? If you are disgusted by some of the things the government did, wouldn’t it be more appropriate to specify that? The Trump administration is absolutely a disaster and “didn’t do anything warrant a positive article,” but I wouldn’t call the U.S. names because of the government.
  - underseacables 6y ago
    There’s a parable here that is horrible apt: The NAZI’s ordered the murder of the Jewish people, but it was the German rank and file citizen that made the gas flow, and the ovens burn. I don’t think we can separate the government of China from its people. Did you forget about the recent leak of communist party members and how they’ve worked their way into senior government, and business positions? https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6215946537001 https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6215946537001
    - franklampard 6y ago
      Of course you can. Making equivalent what a government does to its country is myopic and racist. American people aren’t against climate change and exited Paris Climate Accord, the Trump administration did. Ordinary Chinese citizen did not censor the reporters, the government did. Your Nazi example makes no sense. I assume you can put some blame on the people who made the gas if they know its purpose. But you wouldn’t blame every German national during WWII for Genocide.
      - underseacables 6y ago
        Assuming for a moment that your comment is not sarcasm, I point you to first the excellent book “Hitler’s Willing Executioners” by Daniel Goldhagen which makes a solid case that had it not been for a compliant German citizenry, much of the Holocaust might never have happened. So you tell me: Who operates the Chinese concentration camps?
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- KPetrova 6y ago
  China completely eliminated poverty inside China
  - underseacables 6y ago
    As a new account, can you show us some evidence to back up your claim that is not from state run media? With respect, a lot of the comments here are starting to read like the same non-native English speakers that you often see rushing to defend China.
    - KPetrova 6y ago
      It's been covered by western media
redis_mlc 6y ago
> They are public enemy number one, and anti-China sentiments are popular and applauded. I don't remember the last time I've seen positive articles about China. China has been in an undeclared war with the US since the 1950s. Xi was dumb enough to reveal that. There's no "positive articles about China" because the CCP is only interested in taking from others - even your organs.
alisonatwork 6y ago
Something changed in the past 5 years or so. For a while, the American tech press was pretty doting on Alibaba and a lot of people in the west still had the hope that China was going to be a great new frontier for western products and cultural exchange, thanks to the booming middle class. A lot of that goodwill started getting frittered away as the CCP were involved with events that appeared to threaten freedom/democracy and autonomy both in the China region and around the rest of the world. Just a few off the top of my head... - 2016 Artificial islands and military bases built in South China Sea - 2017 Four Corners report on CCP influence operations in Australia - 2017 HRW report on Uighur reeducation camps - 2018 Xi Jinping dissolves term limits - 2018 Two Michaels detained - 2019 Hong Kong National Security Law and protests - 2020 Coronavirus - 2020 Ladakh border skirmishes There are lots more examples. Meanwhile, citizen journalists are being disappeared and foreign journalists are getting kicked out of the country, which is only making it more difficult to get independent reporting of what is going on. Personally, I don't think it's so much that there is no positive reporting about China happening in the west any more, it's just that now the more optimistic stuff is balanced out by a more cynical take.
- underseacables 6y ago
  I wonder if HN is able to identify Chinese state manipulation of the comments here. I’ve never seen so many Sinophile defensive comments before. It’s almost like someone pushed a button and called for backup.
  - ngokevin 6y ago
    Have you been to China, talked to its people often, or do you get most of your sentiments online from other commenters and through news? I'd argue there is US mass media manipulation. There's simply clear monetary (and nationalistic) incentive in riling Americans against an evil enemy. In my eyes, the US paints China as evil just as much as NK paints US as evil. Do you not think it's propaganda that all the news is one sided, have you not considered a scenario where Americans might have been planted a bias by the media? Also, I'd be an effin' amazing impostor to act as a plant as a YC alum on HN with my username orange. Maybe China wired me some money.

karmasimida 6y ago

I think China's decision to go carbon neutral by 2060 is somewhat given some positive lights, though with heavy coating of doubt.

baud147258 6y ago
With such a remote target, there will be at least two generations of party leadership in mainland China (assuming the system doesn't change), with different goals and priorities. If they had announced something for within 10-15 years, I would have been more hopeful it's more than a PR attempt

underseacables 6y ago

I don’t remember the last time China did anything that warranted a positive article. That is likely a direct result of the authoritarian control China holds on information. How do you report something positive when you can’t trust the source? At least in America journalists can say whatever they want. In China, they’ll be arrested, disappeared, and who knows what other barbaric acts of punishment. Simply put, by its very nature China instills mistrust, distrust, and critique.

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boomboomsubban 6y ago
How would you have any idea what China does except through various news articles? Why would an authoritarian control of information lead to only bad information getting out? China does not have a great government, but American coverage of it is also extreme propaganda.
- cowsandmilk 6y ago
  There is a huge Chinese diaspora in the US with family members who still live in China. They are the source of information that most in the US rely on more than news articles.
- underseacables 6y ago
  And what is extreme propaganda? Is the Uyghur genocide propaganda? Is the Murder of Tibetans, aggression against Taiwan, imprisonment of journalists, propaganda? Show me American propaganda that does not have a strong correlation of truth, and I’ll show you concentration camps and disappeared citizens. When was the last time the U.S. government put a doctor in prison for trying to warn others about a deadly virus? No matter the corruption of America, its corporatacracy and greed, no matter the propaganda of its politicians, nothing in the developed western world can hold a candle to the CURRENT genocide of China.
  - hungryhobo 6y ago
    What if the Uyghur genocide is indeed propaganda? How would you know? A lot of the Uyghur witness have been revealed to have ties to NED and the population of Uyghur minorities in china have increased. If there is an active genocide on the scale that's being reported, why have we not seen reports of mass exodus into neighbouring countries?
  - boomboomsubban 6y ago
    >nothing in the developed western world can hold a candle to the CURRENT genocide of China Things that the developed Western world are causing are worse though. The UN had repeatedly called the ongoing Yemen situation the largest ongoing humanitarian crisis, killing over 200,000 people with millions facing starvation. The few mentions this gets generally are only used to demonize Iran when US generals have stated that we could end this war tomorrow if we wanted to. Yet you can claim that nothing the West does can hold a candle to China's acts. That is the aim of the propaganda. Yes, China is committing atrocities. They are not alone in this and the methods suggested to combat these actions are likely going to cause far more suffering.
  - 6y ago
franklampard 6y ago
When you talk about China, are you talking about China as a country, or the Chinese government, or its people? If you are disgusted by some of the things the government did, wouldn’t it be more appropriate to specify that? The Trump administration is absolutely a disaster and “didn’t do anything warrant a positive article,” but I wouldn’t call the U.S. names because of the government.
- underseacables 6y ago
  There’s a parable here that is horrible apt: The NAZI’s ordered the murder of the Jewish people, but it was the German rank and file citizen that made the gas flow, and the ovens burn. I don’t think we can separate the government of China from its people. Did you forget about the recent leak of communist party members and how they’ve worked their way into senior government, and business positions? https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6215946537001 https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6215946537001
  - franklampard 6y ago
    Of course you can. Making equivalent what a government does to its country is myopic and racist. American people aren’t against climate change and exited Paris Climate Accord, the Trump administration did. Ordinary Chinese citizen did not censor the reporters, the government did. Your Nazi example makes no sense. I assume you can put some blame on the people who made the gas if they know its purpose. But you wouldn’t blame every German national during WWII for Genocide.
    - underseacables 6y ago
      Assuming for a moment that your comment is not sarcasm, I point you to first the excellent book “Hitler’s Willing Executioners” by Daniel Goldhagen which makes a solid case that had it not been for a compliant German citizenry, much of the Holocaust might never have happened. So you tell me: Who operates the Chinese concentration camps?
      - 6y ago
KPetrova 6y ago
China completely eliminated poverty inside China
- underseacables 6y ago
  As a new account, can you show us some evidence to back up your claim that is not from state run media? With respect, a lot of the comments here are starting to read like the same non-native English speakers that you often see rushing to defend China.
  - KPetrova 6y ago
    It's been covered by western media

redis_mlc 6y ago

> They are public enemy number one, and anti-China sentiments are popular and applauded. I don't remember the last time I've seen positive articles about China. China has been in an undeclared war with the US since the 1950s. Xi was dumb enough to reveal that. There's no "positive articles about China" because the CCP is only interested in taking from others - even your organs.

alisonatwork 6y ago

Something changed in the past 5 years or so. For a while, the American tech press was pretty doting on Alibaba and a lot of people in the west still had the hope that China was going to be a great new frontier for western products and cultural exchange, thanks to the booming middle class. A lot of that goodwill started getting frittered away as the CCP were involved with events that appeared to threaten freedom/democracy and autonomy both in the China region and around the rest of the world. Just a few off the top of my head... - 2016 Artificial islands and military bases built in South China Sea - 2017 Four Corners report on CCP influence operations in Australia - 2017 HRW report on Uighur reeducation camps - 2018 Xi Jinping dissolves term limits - 2018 Two Michaels detained - 2019 Hong Kong National Security Law and protests - 2020 Coronavirus - 2020 Ladakh border skirmishes There are lots more examples. Meanwhile, citizen journalists are being disappeared and foreign journalists are getting kicked out of the country, which is only making it more difficult to get independent reporting of what is going on. Personally, I don't think it's so much that there is no positive reporting about China happening in the west any more, it's just that now the more optimistic stuff is balanced out by a more cynical take.

underseacables 6y ago
I wonder if HN is able to identify Chinese state manipulation of the comments here. I’ve never seen so many Sinophile defensive comments before. It’s almost like someone pushed a button and called for backup.
- ngokevin 6y ago
  Have you been to China, talked to its people often, or do you get most of your sentiments online from other commenters and through news? I'd argue there is US mass media manipulation. There's simply clear monetary (and nationalistic) incentive in riling Americans against an evil enemy. In my eyes, the US paints China as evil just as much as NK paints US as evil. Do you not think it's propaganda that all the news is one sided, have you not considered a scenario where Americans might have been planted a bias by the media? Also, I'd be an effin' amazing impostor to act as a plant as a YC alum on HN with my username orange. Maybe China wired me some money.