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We have over 80 different COVID vaccines today if you look at the COVID vaccine tracker. Next year it will be at least 120. In Spain alone they have 3 differen

We have over 80 different COVID vaccines today if you look at the COVID vaccine tracker. Next year it will be at least 120. In Spain alone they have 3 different vaccines that are not even in phase 1, but will be next year. There will be at least 5 totally different technologies against it. There are "slower to market" technologies than RNA but stronger and proven. Also the weather is going to get better in the North Hemisphere soon.

carlmr 6y ago
>Also the weather is going to get better in the North Hemisphere soon January is colder than December usually. We're not even over the peak. February should be roughly similar to December, March is when it gets better again usually. But that's still 2 months of people staying indoors a lot.
- Izkata 6y ago
  Barring post-Thanksgiving spikes, cases in the US Midwest have been dropping since mid-November. And the spikes didn't even show up in all those states. Seems like places are getting past the peak already despite the temperature still dropping.
  - carlmr 6y ago
    In Germany they've been rising despite the lockdown light.
    - thomasz 6y ago
      Er should avoid meaningless terms like “lokdown light” and just say that we closed bars and restaurants and told people not to meet in private, which was largely ignored.
      - carlmr 6y ago
        I agree we should have closed shops after this didn't work and then schools if that still hadn't worked. But they didn't course correct for 4 weeks where it was obviously not working. But the people I know kept to the private rules as much or as little as during the first lockdown, which seemed to work despite keeping public transport open. Which would enable similar transmissions as shops and schools.
        LeCow 6y ago
        it's barley transmitted in shops, restaurants and bars. if schools are open, it's pointless doing anything else. if schools are closed kids will still go out and play. basically you're screwed if you do and screwed if you don't. and less and less people will listen as time goes on while the virus mutates and selects for contagious variants.
        thomasz 6y ago
        We just do not have the means to detect transmission that happens outside of households and private parties. Data from countries that have working contact tracing procedures suggest that bars restaurants, gyms and so forth are indeed important drivers.
    - GijsjanB 6y ago
      The lockdown started on 16th December right? Shouldn't the effect become visible after 2 or 3 weeks? The current numbers are the outcome of the pre-lockdown rules?

carlmr 6y ago

>Also the weather is going to get better in the North Hemisphere soon January is colder than December usually. We're not even over the peak. February should be roughly similar to December, March is when it gets better again usually. But that's still 2 months of people staying indoors a lot.

Izkata 6y ago
Barring post-Thanksgiving spikes, cases in the US Midwest have been dropping since mid-November. And the spikes didn't even show up in all those states. Seems like places are getting past the peak already despite the temperature still dropping.
- carlmr 6y ago
  In Germany they've been rising despite the lockdown light.
  - thomasz 6y ago
    Er should avoid meaningless terms like “lokdown light” and just say that we closed bars and restaurants and told people not to meet in private, which was largely ignored.
    - carlmr 6y ago
      I agree we should have closed shops after this didn't work and then schools if that still hadn't worked. But they didn't course correct for 4 weeks where it was obviously not working. But the people I know kept to the private rules as much or as little as during the first lockdown, which seemed to work despite keeping public transport open. Which would enable similar transmissions as shops and schools.
      - LeCow 6y ago
        it's barley transmitted in shops, restaurants and bars. if schools are open, it's pointless doing anything else. if schools are closed kids will still go out and play. basically you're screwed if you do and screwed if you don't. and less and less people will listen as time goes on while the virus mutates and selects for contagious variants.
        thomasz 6y ago
        We just do not have the means to detect transmission that happens outside of households and private parties. Data from countries that have working contact tracing procedures suggest that bars restaurants, gyms and so forth are indeed important drivers.
  - GijsjanB 6y ago
    The lockdown started on 16th December right? Shouldn't the effect become visible after 2 or 3 weeks? The current numbers are the outcome of the pre-lockdown rules?