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It’s easy on the eyes. Really big deal for those of us with poor eyesight due to Nerve, muscle, or dryness Issues

tyler109 6y ago
Yes it's really a life saver for many of us
konjin 6y ago
I don't need color for code. I need high resolution and to be able to stare at it for hours on end. Right now I get around this by having an ambient light sensors adjusting my monitors but it's buggy and error prone. I look forward to having a red light setup for night coding like my father had for his photography dark room.
- ketamine__ 6y ago
  How is the refresh rate? Is this monitor different than my experience with the Kindle?
  - cnasc 6y ago
    I think the video in the post would let you compare for yourself
    - scoot 6y ago
      Skip to 4:04 for the display of video on the monitor.
      - Ancapistani 6y ago
        Honestly, that’s amazingly good.
        aidenn0 6y ago
        Yeah, it's on-par with LCDs from about 20 years ago.
- IgorPartola 6y ago
  I like color in my code. I suppose different font weights and shades of grey can make up for it if the resolution is high enough.
- DoingIsLearning 6y ago
  > Right now I get around this by having an ambient light sensors adjusting my monitors but it's buggy and error prone. Can you expand a bit more on this solution? Is this something you made or COTS?
  - konjin 6y ago
    An old ColorMunki projector calibrator connected by usb and attached to the screen with a zip tie. I have a python script that polls it when the screen goes to sleep or when I request a re-calibration using redshift. It used to be automatic but it's not stable because there's only one point of measure. If I stood up and cast a shadow on the screen it decided that the whole room has gone dark and dimmed the screen to be invisible. The only reason why I prefer that over doing it manually is the white point balance. It beats sitting around with a piece of white paper eyeballing it to match white on the screen.
    - DoingIsLearning 6y ago
      Very cool! Thanks for sharing!
      - lhl 6y ago
        This approach sounds similar to clight, which uses a webcam to adjust backlight levels (so may be a little less fidgety than using a color calibration sensor if you just care about brightness): https://github.com/FedeDP/Clight https://github.com/FedeDP/Clight
        konjin 6y ago
        Mismatching color balance gives me a headache. Anecdotally it affects everyone most people just don't notice what it is that's bugging them.
ketamine__ 6y ago
Is there a body of evidence that suggests it is better for our eyes?
- loceng 6y ago
  If anything there's individual anecdotal evidence - people able to compare for themselves how their eyes feel using an eink screen vs. backlit; "better for eyes" I believe isn't meant in relation to physical effects (which may exist) but primarily for psychological/biological impact - including sleep patterns, etc.
  - read_if_gay_ 6y ago
    My eyes used to hurt from staring at my screen. It got a lot better after turning down the brightness to ~15%. With the same strategy I can comfortably read in bed on my iPad with the added benefit of colors and 120Hz. I recommend trying this if eink feels much better to you. Another notable side effect is you might end up going back to light themes.
    - mellosouls 6y ago
      Anybody who thinks a non e-ink screen is comparable even at "low" brightness should try turning the screen brightness down to lower than 15% in a completely dark room and turning the screen away - you will see that you still essentially have a torch in your hands that you are shining constantly in your eyes when reading. I have tried every option with smartphone screens,: low brightness, night light filters, dark themes and nothing short of paper is remotely as free of strain as e-ink hardware.
      - read_if_gay_ 6y ago
        Of course if you're in a completely dark room any LCD is going to be bright. But in that scenario you can't use an eink screen either. The point is if there is some light, you can probably find a brightness setting such that your LCD is emitting about as much light as an eink display will reflect, making them (at least subjectively to me) equivalent.
mlboss 6y ago
I have 13” dasung monitor. Its is an eink monitor so no light beaming from screen. I has solved the headaches I used to get after working on lcd monitor.
- spicybright 6y ago
  How do you use it day to day?
  - mlboss 6y ago
    As an external monitor for coding and reading documentation.
jhanschoo 6y ago
Is reflective technology really better for these? The main flaw I see in emissive technology is in situations where they are relatively dark in high ambient lighting. On the other hand, in poor lighting conditions, emissive technologies are easier for the eyes. It seems to me that if the emissive technology is up to par and properly calibrated it shouldn't be worse.
- tyler109 6y ago
  There is some alternative technology called RLCD. Apparently it's the best of both worlds: https://goodereader.com/blog/e-paper/tcl-nxtpaper-wants-to-compete-against-e-ink https://goodereader.com/blog/e-paper/tcl-nxtpaper-wants-to-c...

Yes it's really a life saver for many of us

I don't need color for code. I need high resolution and to be able to stare at it for hours on end. Right now I get around this by having an ambient light sensors adjusting my monitors but it's buggy and error prone. I look forward to having a red light setup for night coding like my father had for his photography dark room.

ketamine__ 6y ago
How is the refresh rate? Is this monitor different than my experience with the Kindle?
- cnasc 6y ago
  I think the video in the post would let you compare for yourself
  - scoot 6y ago
    Skip to 4:04 for the display of video on the monitor.
    - Ancapistani 6y ago
      Honestly, that’s amazingly good.
      - aidenn0 6y ago
        Yeah, it's on-par with LCDs from about 20 years ago.
IgorPartola 6y ago
I like color in my code. I suppose different font weights and shades of grey can make up for it if the resolution is high enough.
DoingIsLearning 6y ago
> Right now I get around this by having an ambient light sensors adjusting my monitors but it's buggy and error prone. Can you expand a bit more on this solution? Is this something you made or COTS?
- konjin 6y ago
  An old ColorMunki projector calibrator connected by usb and attached to the screen with a zip tie. I have a python script that polls it when the screen goes to sleep or when I request a re-calibration using redshift. It used to be automatic but it's not stable because there's only one point of measure. If I stood up and cast a shadow on the screen it decided that the whole room has gone dark and dimmed the screen to be invisible. The only reason why I prefer that over doing it manually is the white point balance. It beats sitting around with a piece of white paper eyeballing it to match white on the screen.
  - DoingIsLearning 6y ago
    Very cool! Thanks for sharing!
    - lhl 6y ago
      This approach sounds similar to clight, which uses a webcam to adjust backlight levels (so may be a little less fidgety than using a color calibration sensor if you just care about brightness): https://github.com/FedeDP/Clight https://github.com/FedeDP/Clight
      - konjin 6y ago
        Mismatching color balance gives me a headache. Anecdotally it affects everyone most people just don't notice what it is that's bugging them.

ketamine__ 6y ago

Is there a body of evidence that suggests it is better for our eyes?

loceng 6y ago
If anything there's individual anecdotal evidence - people able to compare for themselves how their eyes feel using an eink screen vs. backlit; "better for eyes" I believe isn't meant in relation to physical effects (which may exist) but primarily for psychological/biological impact - including sleep patterns, etc.
- read_if_gay_ 6y ago
  My eyes used to hurt from staring at my screen. It got a lot better after turning down the brightness to ~15%. With the same strategy I can comfortably read in bed on my iPad with the added benefit of colors and 120Hz. I recommend trying this if eink feels much better to you. Another notable side effect is you might end up going back to light themes.
  - mellosouls 6y ago
    Anybody who thinks a non e-ink screen is comparable even at "low" brightness should try turning the screen brightness down to lower than 15% in a completely dark room and turning the screen away - you will see that you still essentially have a torch in your hands that you are shining constantly in your eyes when reading. I have tried every option with smartphone screens,: low brightness, night light filters, dark themes and nothing short of paper is remotely as free of strain as e-ink hardware.
    - read_if_gay_ 6y ago
      Of course if you're in a completely dark room any LCD is going to be bright. But in that scenario you can't use an eink screen either. The point is if there is some light, you can probably find a brightness setting such that your LCD is emitting about as much light as an eink display will reflect, making them (at least subjectively to me) equivalent.

mlboss 6y ago

I have 13” dasung monitor. Its is an eink monitor so no light beaming from screen. I has solved the headaches I used to get after working on lcd monitor.

spicybright 6y ago
How do you use it day to day?
- mlboss 6y ago
  As an external monitor for coding and reading documentation.

jhanschoo 6y ago

Is reflective technology really better for these? The main flaw I see in emissive technology is in situations where they are relatively dark in high ambient lighting. On the other hand, in poor lighting conditions, emissive technologies are easier for the eyes. It seems to me that if the emissive technology is up to par and properly calibrated it shouldn't be worse.

tyler109 6y ago
There is some alternative technology called RLCD. Apparently it's the best of both worlds: https://goodereader.com/blog/e-paper/tcl-nxtpaper-wants-to-compete-against-e-ink https://goodereader.com/blog/e-paper/tcl-nxtpaper-wants-to-c...