They make that point exactly (and mention Drake equation of course) along with other possible explanations such as that it might be the nature of intelligent li

They make that point exactly (and mention Drake equation of course) along with other possible explanations such as that it might be the nature of intelligent life to destroy itself, in what is probably my favorite This American Life #617 — Fermi's Paradox. Perhaps I remember it so vividly because it was the perfect setting: I was 3+ months into hiking the Pacific Crest Trail, North California, night hiking by myself, earphones on, the wildfire smoke started to clear up, the air was crisp and the night sky got sprinkled with countless bright stars for the first time in a while. https://www.thisamericanlife.org/617/fermis-paradox https://www.thisamericanlife.org/617/fermis-paradox