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Apple has rules regarding labor for their subcontractors with penalties if they break them. It is not anything goes by any means. That does not mean some asshol

by rapsey 6y ago

Apple has rules regarding labor for their subcontractors with penalties if they break them. It is not anything goes by any means. That does not mean some assholes wont try. Placing the blame solely on the back of Apple is absurd. Those factories don't exist in lawless places.

corty 6y ago
> Those factories don't exist in lawless places. When it comes to labour rights, they practically do. Thats why it is so cheap to produce there. Thats why apple uses them.
- Bud 6y ago
  The other reason is that Apple has no choice. There's no other place that can produce what Apple needs to produce, in the quantities it needs. At any price. No, please don't try to claim that work could be done in the US. It can't.
  - mschuster91 6y ago
    > There's no other place that can produce what Apple needs to produce, in the quantities it needs. At any price. Apple could build and operate the factories themselves.
  - legulere 6y ago
    Japan and Germany show that you can have industry in high wage countries. Your factories have to be more automatized though.
mschuster91 6y ago
> That does not mean some assholes wont try. At the scale of Wistron and Foxconn we're not talking about "some assholes", we're talking about the companies' leadership. Apple (and other companies) specifically source stuff out to have that "liability shield" while being able to extract as low prices as possible. If their "labor rules" were worth the paper they are written on they'd hire the people themselves.
legulere 6y ago
That’s often the concept of subcontractors: you tell your subcontractor to not do legally and morally questionable stuff while both of you know that they will do that. You take most of the profits from that while taking no legal responsibility. Usually this happens though when companies outsource their core business (construction or package delivery), so that applies not that well to Apple.

by rapsey 6y ago

corty 6y ago

> Those factories don't exist in lawless places. When it comes to labour rights, they practically do. Thats why it is so cheap to produce there. Thats why apple uses them.

Bud 6y ago
The other reason is that Apple has no choice. There's no other place that can produce what Apple needs to produce, in the quantities it needs. At any price. No, please don't try to claim that work could be done in the US. It can't.
- mschuster91 6y ago
  > There's no other place that can produce what Apple needs to produce, in the quantities it needs. At any price. Apple could build and operate the factories themselves.
- legulere 6y ago
  Japan and Germany show that you can have industry in high wage countries. Your factories have to be more automatized though.

mschuster91 6y ago

> That does not mean some assholes wont try. At the scale of Wistron and Foxconn we're not talking about "some assholes", we're talking about the companies' leadership. Apple (and other companies) specifically source stuff out to have that "liability shield" while being able to extract as low prices as possible. If their "labor rules" were worth the paper they are written on they'd hire the people themselves.

legulere 6y ago

That’s often the concept of subcontractors: you tell your subcontractor to not do legally and morally questionable stuff while both of you know that they will do that. You take most of the profits from that while taking no legal responsibility. Usually this happens though when companies outsource their core business (construction or package delivery), so that applies not that well to Apple.