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Sure I did : tipping points, Club of Rome, analogies with The Titanic ( that was a real tearjerker ), emergencies. Scary stuff. One won't get funding for model

Sure I did : tipping points, Club of Rome, analogies with The Titanic ( that was a real tearjerker ), emergencies. Scary stuff. One won't get funding for modelling non-catastrophic scenarios. I studied CS, which was at least 50% mathematics, worked with mathematicians who were working on models and simulations : 1. They hardly know what they are doing. 2. Models show what you want them to show. If they don't, they will work and mould them until they do.

pmiller2 6y ago
Which paper did you read? You seem to have criticisms of their methodologies, so I expect you've read at least one of the linked papers, yes?
- the-dude 6y ago
  I read the paper about The Titanic, would you suggest another one which you feel is better? But please excuse me for a while, as I am off for a walk : we are having blue skies here in nothern NL and I look forward to get radiated by this giant nuclear fusion from the sky.
  - pmiller2 6y ago
    As I recall, the Titanic makes no appearance in any of the papers linked in the article. Did you follow any of the links? You can literally "^F paper" and find those links.
    - the-dude 6y ago
      So where did this Titanic story come from? Look, papers are just an opinion, man. Climate 'science' is not science at all : science makes verifiable claims. No such thing with the climate. I am from NL : we have a thing with sealevel for centuries. Did you ever look at the sealevel rise at NL? There is no, I repeat : no change in sealevel rise in the last centuries. The level is steady-as-you-go going up since the ice age.
      - pmiller2 6y ago
        Oh, you mean verifiable predictions like these? https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2019/12/even-50-year-old-climate-models-correctly-predicted-global-warming https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2019/12/even-50-year-old-cli... Had you actually read the article, you would see the Titanic story was referencing a talk one of the scientists gave. You seem to be doing everything you can to avoid reading anything. Are you even interested in this, or just trolling?
        read_if_gay_ 6y ago
        The fact that 10 models were correct doesn't say much unless we also know how many models were wrong. It's easy to cherrypick the best ones in retrospect. If there are enough models, even if all of them are bullshit, some will be correct, the same way a broken clock shows the correct time twice a day.
        pmiller2 6y ago
        How many climate models do you think there are? What evidence do you have that there's been any cherry picking? You have read the study, haven't you?
        read_if_gay_ 6y ago
        If it weren’t paywalled I could’ve done that. It seems that either you expected me to pay, or you didn’t realize this, which would put some irony in your almost obsessively and smugly bugging people about reading your links, when you didn’t even put in the effort yourself. > How many climate models do you think there are? I don’t know, probably more than the 14 they analyzed? What matters more than count anyway is whether the high-impact policy-shaping papers were accurate. > What evidence do you have that there's been any cherry picking? What evidence do you have that there’s not? If you trust the authors, that’s fine. I just personally happen to think trust isn’t enough.
        pmiller2 6y ago

pmiller2 6y ago

Which paper did you read? You seem to have criticisms of their methodologies, so I expect you've read at least one of the linked papers, yes?

the-dude 6y ago
I read the paper about The Titanic, would you suggest another one which you feel is better? But please excuse me for a while, as I am off for a walk : we are having blue skies here in nothern NL and I look forward to get radiated by this giant nuclear fusion from the sky.
- pmiller2 6y ago
  As I recall, the Titanic makes no appearance in any of the papers linked in the article. Did you follow any of the links? You can literally "^F paper" and find those links.
  - the-dude 6y ago
    So where did this Titanic story come from? Look, papers are just an opinion, man. Climate 'science' is not science at all : science makes verifiable claims. No such thing with the climate. I am from NL : we have a thing with sealevel for centuries. Did you ever look at the sealevel rise at NL? There is no, I repeat : no change in sealevel rise in the last centuries. The level is steady-as-you-go going up since the ice age.
    - pmiller2 6y ago
      Oh, you mean verifiable predictions like these? https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2019/12/even-50-year-old-climate-models-correctly-predicted-global-warming https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2019/12/even-50-year-old-cli... Had you actually read the article, you would see the Titanic story was referencing a talk one of the scientists gave. You seem to be doing everything you can to avoid reading anything. Are you even interested in this, or just trolling?
      - read_if_gay_ 6y ago
        The fact that 10 models were correct doesn't say much unless we also know how many models were wrong. It's easy to cherrypick the best ones in retrospect. If there are enough models, even if all of them are bullshit, some will be correct, the same way a broken clock shows the correct time twice a day.
        pmiller2 6y ago
        How many climate models do you think there are? What evidence do you have that there's been any cherry picking? You have read the study, haven't you?
        read_if_gay_ 6y ago
        If it weren’t paywalled I could’ve done that. It seems that either you expected me to pay, or you didn’t realize this, which would put some irony in your almost obsessively and smugly bugging people about reading your links, when you didn’t even put in the effort yourself. > How many climate models do you think there are? I don’t know, probably more than the 14 they analyzed? What matters more than count anyway is whether the high-impact policy-shaping papers were accurate. > What evidence do you have that there's been any cherry picking? What evidence do you have that there’s not? If you trust the authors, that’s fine. I just personally happen to think trust isn’t enough.
        pmiller2 6y ago