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> Even Logic started as a Windows-first DAW. I hate to be that guy, but your entire comment is full of wrong. Firstly, Emagic "Logic" started on the Atari and

> Even Logic started as a Windows-first DAW. I hate to be that guy, but your entire comment is full of wrong. Firstly, Emagic "Logic" started on the Atari and Mac OS platforms. I'm not sure when it appeared on Windows, but it certainly wasn't a Windows first DAW. The Apple versions of Logic were never "very much inferior" to the Windows versions. In fact, it was the other way around. > Indeed, the whole point of Apple buying Logic (and discontinuing the Windows releases) was that they needed a DAW on MacOS to get audio professionals to consider the OS. The fact of the matter is, practically all "audio professionals" of the time period of which you refer, used Apple computers - either for MIDI sequencing, or Digital Audio Workstations. Windows computers weren't even a serious consideration. Those who didn't, still used Ataris, or hardware sequencers/recorders. Pro Tools, originally by Digidesign, was Mac only for years also.

gamblor956 6y ago
Well, if you want to be technical about the history of hardware and software platforms in Hollywood, it was Atari and Silicon Graphics until the mid-1990s, when most studios switched to a combination of Windows/nix for their needs. Apple was briefly in consideration for DAWs/audio work in the late 80s/early 90s, until Windows DAWs started hitting the market in force. Today, most Hollywood composers use Cubase, which was definitely Windows-first. TV productions favor Studio One, which again, was Windows-first (and from the same developers as Cubase). Pro Tools is industry standard for Hollywood movies...but it didn't become the standard until version 6, running on Windows. Ableton Live, which is the most popular tool for recording live music, was written first on Windows (but originally commercially released simultaneously for Windows and Apple). And Logic on Mac was very much inferior to Logic on Windows, which is why Windows was the preferred platform for running Logic. The Mac version didn't become better than the Windows version until version 6, for which there was no Windows version. While all accounts say that Logic is a great DAW these days, because it's Mac-only, the only production companies that run Logic are ones that are exclusively Mac-based.
- FireBeyond 6y ago
  > Cubase, which was definitely Windows-first The Atari ST Cubase 1.0 would like to dispute this. I remember sulking because it wasn't available for my Amiga.
  - gamblor956 6y ago
    Nothing to dispute. Cubase was also available for the Atari because Atari was still the big platform for audio at the time. But it was programmed on Windows, for Windows, and the next version of Cubase (the famous one, which introduced VSTs) dropped support for Atari altogether.
    - philjohn 6y ago
      Not quite - https://www.musicradar.com/tuition/tech/a-brief-history-of-steinberg-cubase-406132 https://www.musicradar.com/tuition/tech/a-brief-history-of-s... Windows version didn't come until 1992, the Atari and Mac versions were released before that (Mac before Atari, however, the precursor by the same company was developed for Atari first).
- cyberdelica 6y ago
  I'm sorry, but this is completely wrong. Furthermore, I'm not talking about the history of hardware/software in Hollywood - your original statement was about the use of software by audio professionals. I was an "audio professional". I trained as a Sound Engineer (City & Guilds 1820 Sound Engineering, and BTEC ND Music Technology), and was there, right around the time period in question. I also worked in London's West End for years, which is the equivalent of New Yorks's Broadway. I want to be charitable, and hope you're getting confused about the "Apple" versions - in that, you're conflating when Apple (the company) bought Emagic Logic, for when Logic (the software) was available on Apple Mac OS?! Either way, doesn't make your former statements any less incorrect.

gamblor956 6y ago

Well, if you want to be technical about the history of hardware and software platforms in Hollywood, it was Atari and Silicon Graphics until the mid-1990s, when most studios switched to a combination of Windows/nix for their needs. Apple was briefly in consideration for DAWs/audio work in the late 80s/early 90s, until Windows DAWs started hitting the market in force. Today, most Hollywood composers use Cubase, which was definitely Windows-first. TV productions favor Studio One, which again, was Windows-first (and from the same developers as Cubase). Pro Tools is industry standard for Hollywood movies...but it didn't become the standard until version 6, running on Windows. Ableton Live, which is the most popular tool for recording live music, was written first on Windows (but originally commercially released simultaneously for Windows and Apple). And Logic on Mac was very much inferior to Logic on Windows, which is why Windows was the preferred platform for running Logic. The Mac version didn't become better than the Windows version until version 6, for which there was no Windows version. While all accounts say that Logic is a great DAW these days, because it's Mac-only, the only production companies that run Logic are ones that are exclusively Mac-based.

FireBeyond 6y ago
> Cubase, which was definitely Windows-first The Atari ST Cubase 1.0 would like to dispute this. I remember sulking because it wasn't available for my Amiga.
- gamblor956 6y ago
  Nothing to dispute. Cubase was also available for the Atari because Atari was still the big platform for audio at the time. But it was programmed on Windows, for Windows, and the next version of Cubase (the famous one, which introduced VSTs) dropped support for Atari altogether.
  - philjohn 6y ago
    Not quite - https://www.musicradar.com/tuition/tech/a-brief-history-of-steinberg-cubase-406132 https://www.musicradar.com/tuition/tech/a-brief-history-of-s... Windows version didn't come until 1992, the Atari and Mac versions were released before that (Mac before Atari, however, the precursor by the same company was developed for Atari first).
cyberdelica 6y ago
I'm sorry, but this is completely wrong. Furthermore, I'm not talking about the history of hardware/software in Hollywood - your original statement was about the use of software by audio professionals. I was an "audio professional". I trained as a Sound Engineer (City & Guilds 1820 Sound Engineering, and BTEC ND Music Technology), and was there, right around the time period in question. I also worked in London's West End for years, which is the equivalent of New Yorks's Broadway. I want to be charitable, and hope you're getting confused about the "Apple" versions - in that, you're conflating when Apple (the company) bought Emagic Logic, for when Logic (the software) was available on Apple Mac OS?! Either way, doesn't make your former statements any less incorrect.