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You are probably not wrong in your statements about biology influencing behavior, but in my opinion that kind of thinking ignores the fact that we humans are ca
by watermelon59 6y ago
You are probably not wrong in your statements about biology influencing behavior, but in my opinion that kind of thinking ignores the fact that we humans are capable of recognizing all of that and acting upon it. We do not have to succumb to our natural baggage.
The problem with making and accepting general statements about the behavior of men and women is that it leads to an incredibly exclusionary society where only the "normal" (per those general statements) can find companionship and happiness.
I'm a man, and I'm straight, but I'm very, very gender-nonconforming. I don't have your typical male traits of being aggressive and competitive and assertive. I'm shy, I'm very sensitive, and my interests are much more "feminine" per our society's norms than "masculine." I'm not handy, I don't go around fixing things in the house. I don't take big risks. I much prefer the cooperative and nourishing work style of women than the competitiveness of men. Perhaps the only typically male thing I have going is being rather strong, thanks to Olympic weightlifting... which I'm attracted to a million times more because of the graceful and aesthetic nature of the movements than any sort of muscle building benefits it might have for my looks. Getting stronger and looking better as a result of practicing it is just a nice side effect.
I struggled with all of that for a long time. I used to be a fan of Jordan Peterson & co, who promote the sort of ideas found in your post. I fell into a really deep depression because I just could not be a socially acceptable Manly Man (TM), unless I was willing to undergo a ridiculous amount of self-inflicted stress to conform to a model of being that's just not who I am.
When my therapist finally convinced me to stop listening to Peterson's ideas, things started getting better. Suddenly, there were possibilities. There are all sorts of people in the world. We're not bound to live strictly by natural laws, because we think and make judgements on people at a much higher level of cognition than simple physical traits.
- throwaway3699 6y agoObviously you have more insight into your specific situation than I do, but I don't think Jordan Peterson's ideas are in conflict with your lifestyle. The 12 rules don't preach that you be a Manly Man TM, but about taking responsibility for your own life, something which applies to both genders. -- JP and his book have plenty of female fans too.
- dmos62 6y agoI find it upsetting that this comment is being downvoted. It really doesn't bode well for our group if such openness is met with hostility without reply. I too am a man who has traits traditionally associated with women, like prioritizing care over competition and having strong empathy. I don't think there's anything unnatural about it. It's somewhat unfortunate that masculinity or femininity have common roots with words male and female, because being masculine or feminine is not ultimately determined by your gender. There's of course tendencies, but the exceptions are common enough that probably everyone can think of a masculine woman or a feminine man in their circles. And masculinity/feminity isn't binary either, it's a spectrum. You have those who are balanced between the two poles. Further, your alignment can change over time. It's just hormones at the end of the day. Let's not assign moral judgments on something basic and natural.
- manigandham 6y agoAll of your comments on this page mention JP. Why? Nothing he says is revolutionary. In fact, it's just his unique take on the wisdom of "being responsible for your own life", something which is shared by many others from military leaders to cancer survivors. Being confident and competent in life will only improve it, and it's so universal that it applies to anyone regardless of race, gender, creed, or physicality.