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Why would it be more disruptive that any other country that have integrated the union before ?

by Rexxar 6y ago

breakfastduck 6y ago
Because the new country joining has a land border with the UK which wont be legislated for whatsoever in the brexit trade deal.
- rndmio 6y ago
  So? The EU had other land borders with non EU countries. There are 25 road crossings between England and Scotland compared to 300 between NI and ROI and no GFA to sustain.
  - breakfastduck 6y ago
    So it creates a lot of admin work for the EU and disruption to their business as usual. No need to be so hostile, just making the point.
    - toyg 6y ago
      It doesn't create any new admin work, unless Scotland tries to get some special deal. In which case they might well reuse the Irish framework. It would be a walk in the park and a total propaganda victory for the EU. The only real obstacle was the "meddling in internal state affairs" argument, but that's just gone out of the window now that the UK is a third country. Now Scotland is more like Kosovo or Boznia was - a territory that would be a useful addition to the EU market once it's dislodged from the controlling entity.
      - breakfastduck 6y ago
        Scotland would need a special deal though, at least for a reasonable transition period. I actually think Scotland should have its own independence, so I'd be happy to see it. Would be a massive arse ache for everyone involved, though - probably worse than brexit based on how deeply integrated the England and Scotland are.
        toyg 6y ago
        > worse than brexit based on how deeply integrated the England and Scotland are I think you are underestimating how much the UK and the EU were effectively integrated.
    - brmgb 6y ago
      It would create no work for the EU whatsoever. Like every sovereign country in the union Scotland would be in charge of policing its own border with the UK and ensuring that regulations are properly applied as it would be if Scotland left the UK without being a member of the EU.

Why would it be more disruptive that any other country that have integrated the union before ?

by Rexxar 6y ago

Why would it be more disruptive that any other country that have integrated the union before ?

Because the new country joining has a land border with the UK which wont be legislated for whatsoever in the brexit trade deal.

rndmio 6y ago
So? The EU had other land borders with non EU countries. There are 25 road crossings between England and Scotland compared to 300 between NI and ROI and no GFA to sustain.
- breakfastduck 6y ago
  So it creates a lot of admin work for the EU and disruption to their business as usual. No need to be so hostile, just making the point.
  - toyg 6y ago
    It doesn't create any new admin work, unless Scotland tries to get some special deal. In which case they might well reuse the Irish framework. It would be a walk in the park and a total propaganda victory for the EU. The only real obstacle was the "meddling in internal state affairs" argument, but that's just gone out of the window now that the UK is a third country. Now Scotland is more like Kosovo or Boznia was - a territory that would be a useful addition to the EU market once it's dislodged from the controlling entity.
    - breakfastduck 6y ago
      Scotland would need a special deal though, at least for a reasonable transition period. I actually think Scotland should have its own independence, so I'd be happy to see it. Would be a massive arse ache for everyone involved, though - probably worse than brexit based on how deeply integrated the England and Scotland are.
      - toyg 6y ago
        > worse than brexit based on how deeply integrated the England and Scotland are I think you are underestimating how much the UK and the EU were effectively integrated.
  - brmgb 6y ago
    It would create no work for the EU whatsoever. Like every sovereign country in the union Scotland would be in charge of policing its own border with the UK and ensuring that regulations are properly applied as it would be if Scotland left the UK without being a member of the EU.