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Putting the self-sacrificial, better without us bullshit aside (the sheer arrogance of which in itself is nonsense because the UK had a huge influence in making
by ljm 6y ago
Putting the self-sacrificial, better without us bullshit aside (the sheer arrogance of which in itself is nonsense because the UK had a huge influence in making the EU what is today), the view is europe centric because we are geologically and historically European, and the UK has just given away the incredible influence it had in the world's largest trading bloc, the one that has brought about the longest period of peace within the continent.
Whatever you and others might believe, don't try and spin Brexit as an act of nobility designed to protect the EU from the all-powerful, magnanimous British empire of yore. This agreement, and the past four years, has been an incredible loss and have set the UK back by a good 40 years. We have been in the throes of populism for half a decade and are only digging deeper into it.
- breakfastduck 6y agoI'm not trying to explain my beliefs or spin anything, I'm just highlighting what are clearly the aims of the deal.
- peteretep 6y agoThanks for doing this. You’re taking the time to write thoughtful explanatory answers and people are taking out their understandable bitterness on you
- ljm 6y agoThe aim of the deal was to get something better than what was previously had, at any cost. Any. While I can appreciate an attempt at objective analysis of the deal, that's not what has been discussed so far. And, in all honesty, the occasion itself is momentous enough that it's a dis-service to discount any emotions around the affair. This isn't a cause for celebration for a calculable majority of the UK, after all.