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Yes, it is a very old story and that's specifically why I chose to highlight it. Consumer electronics are rarely about 'the best' chips, just the ones that work

Yes, it is a very old story and that's specifically why I chose to highlight it. Consumer electronics are rarely about 'the best' chips, just the ones that work. Intel may not be the leader technology wise, but they have the contracts to put their processors where they need to be. They don't have the strength they used to, they still leverage the existing relationships with OEMs. And regarding AMD's production capabilities, that seems to be old news. According to a report [1] from August, there don't seem to be any major logistical issues anymore. They've massively scaled up output from TSMC, at some points this year making up about 20% of their production output [2]. Whether this is on the same level as Intel, it's hard to say - If you have information comparing them I'd love to see it. --- [1] https://wccftech.com/exclusive-the-state-of-amds-supply-chain-august-2020/ https://wccftech.com/exclusive-the-state-of-amds-supply-chai... [2] https://hothardware.com/news/amd-7nm-production-at-tsmc-set-to-double-in-2h-2020 https://hothardware.com/news/amd-7nm-production-at-tsmc-set-...

BoorishBears 6y ago
Definitely not buying the "I chose an old and dead story because it's old and dead". I dislike when I'm talking about something and start to get the impression the person rebutting is just googling random stuff to throw out and see what sticks. Because then it falls on me to apply context to everything they say (since JIT googling doesn't give you that) For example, anyone claiming that their mobile production issues are "old news" as HP is literally cancelling Ryzen based laptop orders and pitching Intel replacements a couple of months after that article https://phonemantra.com/amd-ryzen-mobile-shortage-confirmed-hp-renoir-laptops-failed/ https://phonemantra.com/amd-ryzen-mobile-shortage-confirmed-..., is obviously not up to date on the situation. And I mean you're bringing up TSMC numbers but ignoring the fact consoles are a large chunk of that output and the fact the 20 percent number means literally nothing in a vacuum. AMD is a public company, it's in their best interest to always say things will be better on the horizon. - The fact is OEMs are supply constrained on Ryzen laptops and not on Intel laptops. To the point they're retconning Ryzen skus. This damages AMDs relationship with OEMs and is not Intel's fault. I'm going to leave it at that.

BoorishBears 6y ago

Definitely not buying the "I chose an old and dead story because it's old and dead". I dislike when I'm talking about something and start to get the impression the person rebutting is just googling random stuff to throw out and see what sticks. Because then it falls on me to apply context to everything they say (since JIT googling doesn't give you that) For example, anyone claiming that their mobile production issues are "old news" as HP is literally cancelling Ryzen based laptop orders and pitching Intel replacements a couple of months after that article https://phonemantra.com/amd-ryzen-mobile-shortage-confirmed-hp-renoir-laptops-failed/ https://phonemantra.com/amd-ryzen-mobile-shortage-confirmed-..., is obviously not up to date on the situation. And I mean you're bringing up TSMC numbers but ignoring the fact consoles are a large chunk of that output and the fact the 20 percent number means literally nothing in a vacuum. AMD is a public company, it's in their best interest to always say things will be better on the horizon. - The fact is OEMs are supply constrained on Ryzen laptops and not on Intel laptops. To the point they're retconning Ryzen skus. This damages AMDs relationship with OEMs and is not Intel's fault. I'm going to leave it at that.