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I'm happy for them (truly—this isn't snark), but unfortunately I have far more faith in EU legislators to support my rights, my community, and my general wellbe

I'm happy for them (truly—this isn't snark), but unfortunately I have far more faith in EU legislators to support my rights, my community, and my general wellbeing than a Conservative Party government.

orange_tee 6y ago
The European Commission are all right wing pro business people, except with even less oversight than national governments. Why would you trust Ursula von der Leyen over Boris Johnson? They are cut from the same piece of cloth.
- funcDropShadow 6y ago
  > They are cut from the same piece of cloth. This is easily disproved by comparing the orderliness of their hair ;-) Yes, I know Boris Johnson ruffles his hair on purpose.
- estaseuropano 6y ago
  I think you might read the wrong media. It was the UK (with little brother Denmark) that kept the EU firmly on an economically liberal course. First thing the Commission did after the Brexit notice was to publish a 'European Pillar of Social Rights' and to launch processes for common minimum social standards. Yes they do trade but look at the lineup and commissioners and half of those have social portfolios.
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blibble 6y ago
you might want to look into who makes up the EPP (and of course: historically a large chunk of it was the Conservative Party)
defertoreptar 6y ago
In other words, "I don't mind that my vote carries less weight for as long as the decision-makers happen to share my political views."
- gameshot911 6y ago
  Is there a problem with that? Of course people want to maximize a scenario where decision-makers share their political views.
  - defertoreptar 6y ago
    Yes, because you're only temporarily promised to get what you want at the expense of having voting power permanently diluted.
- estaseuropano 6y ago
  It's probably more a matter of faith in an expertocracy with political checks and balances and ultimate political decision but apolitical implementation.

orange_tee 6y ago

The European Commission are all right wing pro business people, except with even less oversight than national governments. Why would you trust Ursula von der Leyen over Boris Johnson? They are cut from the same piece of cloth.

funcDropShadow 6y ago
> They are cut from the same piece of cloth. This is easily disproved by comparing the orderliness of their hair ;-) Yes, I know Boris Johnson ruffles his hair on purpose.
estaseuropano 6y ago
I think you might read the wrong media. It was the UK (with little brother Denmark) that kept the EU firmly on an economically liberal course. First thing the Commission did after the Brexit notice was to publish a 'European Pillar of Social Rights' and to launch processes for common minimum social standards. Yes they do trade but look at the lineup and commissioners and half of those have social portfolios.

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blibble 6y ago

you might want to look into who makes up the EPP (and of course: historically a large chunk of it was the Conservative Party)

defertoreptar 6y ago

In other words, "I don't mind that my vote carries less weight for as long as the decision-makers happen to share my political views."

gameshot911 6y ago
Is there a problem with that? Of course people want to maximize a scenario where decision-makers share their political views.
- defertoreptar 6y ago
  Yes, because you're only temporarily promised to get what you want at the expense of having voting power permanently diluted.
estaseuropano 6y ago
It's probably more a matter of faith in an expertocracy with political checks and balances and ultimate political decision but apolitical implementation.