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Two parts of this I feel need stressing. > The trade agreement – running to 2,000 pages – ... a week before the end of the Brexit transition period. 2020 was
by tobylane 6y ago
Two parts of this I feel need stressing.
> The trade agreement – running to 2,000 pages – ... a week before the end of the Brexit transition period.
2020 was supposed to be the transition period. We've been told by the government for the last few months that we need to prepare, but for what future circumstances would we have worked on before today? There is technically one work hour left before Tuesday.
- Brakenshire 6y agoI was assuming they’d announce the deal with a few months of extra time before it’s actually enforced, surely this is not actually coming into force in a week?
- Tomte 6y agoYes, it is. Provisionally. The UK plans to push this through Parliament this year, I think, but the EU side will need a few weeks.
- akmarinov 6y agoLet’s see if the EU parliament finally throws a fit for being ignored yet again.
- rasz 6y agoBeen to a supermarket lately? Empty shelves and rationing like former Soviet Bloc :o https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20201222-supply-trucks-still-banked-up-in-dover-as-eu-leaders-to-meet-over-trade-travel-blockade https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20201222-supply-trucks-st...
- blibble 6y agowhere in the article does it state that? ironically due to the threat of no-deal the retailers have built up huge stockpiles, so there's essentially no risk of bare shelves
- tobylane 6y agoNot quite. The stockpiles may be huge but the time they will last is still fairly short, something like twice the just-in-time schedule they had before. Not taking into account the extra needs of Christmas. We don’t know how long it’ll take to remake the slower import streams.
- aries1980 6y agoI hit up Sainsbury's this early morning. Only the expected stuff ran low (turkey, fishes, frozen side dishes), but everything else were on stock.
- secondcoming 6y agoSame situation in Scotland. There were no bare shelves, and probably an over-supply of frozen turkeys.
- rasz 6y agoHope it wasnt rotten https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9087463/Christmas-Dinner-ruined-families-discovered-turkeys-GONE-OFF.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9087463/Christmas-D... I wonder if all those logistical problems are due to UK transport companies forgetting how to deal with border crossings.
- aries1980 6y agoIt was rather the result of the genital measuring contest over the fishing rights between France and the UK.
- Jabbles 6y agoThis comment is disgustingly misleading. The border between UK/France was shut due to concerns over the new Covid strain, not to do with Brexit, as stated by the first sentence of that article: France and its EU neighbours are scrambling to thrash out a coordinated plan in response to a new strain of Covid-19 that has blocked trade and air travel to the UK and left hundreds of freight trucks banked up outside the border with France
- funcDropShadow 6y agoThe comment might not be a perfect, but I don't think it is "disgustingly misleading". Although the current trade problems are indeed caused by protective measures against the new Covid19 strain, as you wrote. They are still representative of what will probably happen if normal border crossing for wares and goods is prohibited from one day to another. So, I'd say it is relevant, but not the same thing.
- mrpopo 6y agoYes, the word for what you described is "misleading". Do not try to normalize it as it brings about confusion.
- djmobley 6y agoAnd yet for some reason we’re discussing this in a thread about a free trade deal that’s just been agreed between the UK and EU, which allows free movement of goods without tariffs or quotas.
- vr46 6y agoIt’s not free movement, it’s still subject to paperwork, customs inspections, etc, right? There’s just no tariffs but there are still standards.
- hardlianotion 6y agoIt's not relevant, as it in no way simulates what would happen even with no deal.
- pjc50 6y agoOther way round: announcing it in advance allows time to bicker. This is at the last minute so it can be presented to am exhausted parliament who have to sign it before the truck backlog gets worse. There was no other way a deal could be achieved. (Does anyone know if the deal includes ECJ jurisdiction for anything? That was a sticking point)
- secondcoming 6y agoBased on probably third-hand info, but I believe the ECJ is gone but Britian is still under the obligation to adhere to the ECHR, which is a Council Of Europe institution, not an EU one.
- hardlianotion 6y agoNot sure what the thrust is here, but there was some form of insistence early on that certain parts of any deal be conditional on UK being part of ECHR. I believe that was negotiated away, but it remains the case that UK remains a member of ECHR.
- tremon 6y agoThe ECJ is part of the ECHR framework, not part of the EU framework. So by remaining part of the ECHR, the UK is still -technically- bound by the rulings of the ECJ. The rub is, that the ECHR has no enforcement mechanism by itself, so the UK could just choose to ignore any rulings of the ECJ it doesn't like. It was the EU treaties that made adherence to the ECJ rulings mandatory, and therefore formed an enforcement mechanism for the ECJ.
- antientropic 6y agoNo, the ECJ is the highest court of the EU. You're confusing the European Court of Justice (EU institution) with the European Court of Human Rights (Council of Europe institution).
- djmobley 6y ago
- notahacker 6y agoIt's not accidental. Less opportunity for scrutiny makes it easier for the UK government to sell it as a win. Same as 14 months ago when we got a similar amount of grandstanding about 'no deal' being a realistic option, followed by an 'oven ready deal' and transition arrangement that saw so little scrutiny the government itself decided it was suboptimal several months and one 'we got a deal' election later. And a quarter of zero economic growth before COVID, because uncertainty is almost as unhelpful to people who don't bullshit the public for a living as it's helpful to certain politicians.