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Is that another victim-bait story? Yes, it is. No one really bothered to investigate the real reason for firing. Quite likely, it is the usual case of toxic-at

Is that another victim-bait story? Yes, it is. No one really bothered to investigate the real reason for firing. Quite likely, it is the usual case of toxic-attitude and the management just had enough of that. Nobody fires employees just because they speak funny or some other stupid background. Especialy after going through the extra "affirmative" effort and having in mind what kind of reaction the company will face after firing a black employee.

jeromegv 6y ago
"Quite likely"... yep, you made it all up. We have the testimony of someone, which you blame as one-sided, but then you come up with your alternate story that is also totally one-sided. You do realize you are as biaised right? Except here, you're siding with one of the biggest corporation in the world to assume that they treated their employee fairly. Excuse me if i'm more likely to believe an employee that share the story publicly under her name, might alleniate future employer, etc. More likely to believe that story of someone who worked at Google for that many years, than an anonymous commenter on HN that just came out with their alternate theory to defend the corporation. If you had read the twitter thread you would know the language is not the reason of the firing, so it seems you also didn't go very far in your "investigation".
- tasubotadas 6y ago
  > assume that they treated their employee fairly. Biggest corporations in the world have rules and processes and to believe that the manager or corp was out there to "get her" instead of her just being toxic (or use whatever other word for "poor culture fit") would be a violation of Occams Razor.
  - jakelazaroff 6y ago
    No, it would not. “Her manager was racist” is just as simple an explanation as “she was considered a bad fit despite high performance.”
holstvoogd 6y ago
Try reading the article before spewing you bs here fuckwad.
papaf 6y ago
Nobody fires employees just because they speak funny or some other stupid background. White male claims racism no longer exists. World rejoices.
montagg 6y ago
I’ve seen cases like this personally. It’s usually not cut and dry either way. A person can have a pretty difficult attitude to work with, or honestly just not be a good fit to work with the other people on that team, and that person can have experienced harassment or inappropriate conduct from those people. Working relationships break down across multiple dimensions, so those things usually go hand-in-hand. But no one gets to tell someone else what their internal experience is. If I tell you that I bet you never experienced feeling different, or having a difference denigrated and feeling humiliated by it, or never knowing what it’s like to be in a minority in your life, I bet you’d tell me I was wrong or at least have some negative reaction to me telling you what your life is. It’s the same in this case. If the person says they felt they were denigrated for having an accent, that’s how they felt. Might be wrong, might not have been the other person’s intention, but the impact is the same. I’ve also seen diversity efforts both fail and function well at mid-level companies, and these kinds of conversations are extremely hard to have, and usually bring up difficult feelings for everyone, even if they are interested in advancing diversity at that company. It’s easy to run afoul of everyone’s feelings if that dynamic isn’t taken seriously, that digging into this is like digging into your own psyche in therapy, and you are very likely to dig up some difficult stuff. I don’t know if that happened or is happening here, but it’s so much more nuanced than just “toxic attitude.” Working in this space means dealing with and challenging deep-seeded attitudes that people hold close to their identities. It’s easy to screw up.
dwaltrip 6y ago
Disclaimer: I didn't read the article and am simply responding to your sweeping generalities. > Nobody fires employees just because they speak funny or some other stupid background. What planet do you live on? To make things perfectly clear, all other things being equal, if someone is fired for a mistake that those with a different background wouldn't be fired for, then they were fired for their different cultural background, regardless of the given official reason. > having in mind what kind of reaction the company will face after firing a black employee. In case you have forgotten, it is possible to be dishonest about why someone is fired or let go.
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jeromegv 6y ago

"Quite likely"... yep, you made it all up. We have the testimony of someone, which you blame as one-sided, but then you come up with your alternate story that is also totally one-sided. You do realize you are as biaised right? Except here, you're siding with one of the biggest corporation in the world to assume that they treated their employee fairly. Excuse me if i'm more likely to believe an employee that share the story publicly under her name, might alleniate future employer, etc. More likely to believe that story of someone who worked at Google for that many years, than an anonymous commenter on HN that just came out with their alternate theory to defend the corporation. If you had read the twitter thread you would know the language is not the reason of the firing, so it seems you also didn't go very far in your "investigation".

tasubotadas 6y ago
> assume that they treated their employee fairly. Biggest corporations in the world have rules and processes and to believe that the manager or corp was out there to "get her" instead of her just being toxic (or use whatever other word for "poor culture fit") would be a violation of Occams Razor.
- jakelazaroff 6y ago
  No, it would not. “Her manager was racist” is just as simple an explanation as “she was considered a bad fit despite high performance.”

holstvoogd 6y ago

Try reading the article before spewing you bs here fuckwad.

papaf 6y ago

Nobody fires employees just because they speak funny or some other stupid background. White male claims racism no longer exists. World rejoices.

montagg 6y ago

I’ve seen cases like this personally. It’s usually not cut and dry either way. A person can have a pretty difficult attitude to work with, or honestly just not be a good fit to work with the other people on that team, and that person can have experienced harassment or inappropriate conduct from those people. Working relationships break down across multiple dimensions, so those things usually go hand-in-hand. But no one gets to tell someone else what their internal experience is. If I tell you that I bet you never experienced feeling different, or having a difference denigrated and feeling humiliated by it, or never knowing what it’s like to be in a minority in your life, I bet you’d tell me I was wrong or at least have some negative reaction to me telling you what your life is. It’s the same in this case. If the person says they felt they were denigrated for having an accent, that’s how they felt. Might be wrong, might not have been the other person’s intention, but the impact is the same. I’ve also seen diversity efforts both fail and function well at mid-level companies, and these kinds of conversations are extremely hard to have, and usually bring up difficult feelings for everyone, even if they are interested in advancing diversity at that company. It’s easy to run afoul of everyone’s feelings if that dynamic isn’t taken seriously, that digging into this is like digging into your own psyche in therapy, and you are very likely to dig up some difficult stuff. I don’t know if that happened or is happening here, but it’s so much more nuanced than just “toxic attitude.” Working in this space means dealing with and challenging deep-seeded attitudes that people hold close to their identities. It’s easy to screw up.

dwaltrip 6y ago

Disclaimer: I didn't read the article and am simply responding to your sweeping generalities. > Nobody fires employees just because they speak funny or some other stupid background. What planet do you live on? To make things perfectly clear, all other things being equal, if someone is fired for a mistake that those with a different background wouldn't be fired for, then they were fired for their different cultural background, regardless of the given official reason. > having in mind what kind of reaction the company will face after firing a black employee. In case you have forgotten, it is possible to be dishonest about why someone is fired or let go.

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