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TiddlyWiki 5.1.23

125 points by BurningTreeC 6y ago

BurningTreeC 6y ago
Hi folks, tiddlywiki t.1.23 has been released today with many new features. See them at https://tiddlywiki.com/#Releases https://tiddlywiki.com/#Releases TiddlyWiki is a hackable, interactive, self-hosted web-notebook for all kinds of use-cases. I use it to keep track of my notes and todos. Is there anybody else using it here on this platform? best wishes, BTC
- fsiefken 6y ago
  I estimate the majority of the people commenting, including me! I love it, I also use it for keeping track of notes and todo's in tandem with org-mode. with (setq outline-regexp "#") I hope to get the best of both worlds.
BurningTreeC 6y ago
https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5 https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5
diego898 6y ago
Tiddlywiki has been my digital brain for 5 years! It’s infinitely hackable and I haven’t found a better system.
gjvc 6y ago
What's the best way to persist state with TiddlyWiki? I really would like to save without any browser extensions.
- dbmikus 6y ago
  I use the npm package and run it as a local server. Works well.
- ahnick 6y ago
  If you aren't tied strictly to using pure TiddlyWiki you may be interested in NoteSelf(https://noteself.org/ https://noteself.org/), which uses the browser's LocalStorage via PouchDB. Bonus, this can then be synchronized to any remote couchdb server.
- porpoise 6y ago
  This came out a while ago and I remember thinking it'd make the single file approach to TiddlyWiki effectively frictionless if you are Chrome user ... https://web.dev/file-system-access/ https://web.dev/file-system-access/
- zachwill 6y ago
  I've found setting up the Git integration to be the best way: https://tiddlywiki.com/static/Saving%2520to%2520a%2520Git%2520service.html https://tiddlywiki.com/static/Saving%2520to%2520a%2520Git%25...
  - gpanders 6y ago
    I tried this but found it kind of confusing. How do you actually edit your wiki? As far as I can tell, when I make changes the wiki "saves" by making a new commit and pushing it to GitHub, but it doesn't modify the file itself. Meaning in order to update my local copy, I have to manually pull the changes down from GitHub every time. This seemed extremely awkward to me and I'm sure I'm missing something or doing something wrong
    - zachwill 6y ago
      1. It is confusing. I agree with you there. 2. Nope, the file is modified itself. 3. One thing that the documentation does a poor job of: all fields need to be filled out for GitHub integration. 4. Here's my settings in TiddlyWiki: https://i.imgur.com/MqbO28t.png https://i.imgur.com/MqbO28t.png
unicornporn 6y ago
> the JSZip Plugin with the ability to dynamically create Zip files, and thus to conveniently build multi-file static sites within the browser How cool is dat!?
- soapdog 6y ago
  I'm using the same techniques in my client-side epub generator.
Tepix 6y ago
It says it has different methods of storing data. What are those methods?
- BurningTreeC 6y ago
  You can have a look at https://tiddlywiki.com/#Saving https://tiddlywiki.com/#Saving and check your operating system on the left to show a list of possible saving methods If you have further questions, there's a very helpful community at https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki
RockstarSprain 6y ago
Happy to see the project is still evolving! Was a happy user of TiddlyWiki 5+ years ago but eventually left when adding too many pictures made that HTML file so bloated it could barely open. Are there any workarounds for this now in the community? Can I add various files / pics to the wiki and not worry about it bloating? Would appreciate insights on this. (Meanwhile switched to a set of Markdown-driven directories in a cloud.) (Edit: first line, grammar.)
- kixiQu 6y ago
  There is lazy-loading now you can use with the server edition, but I don't like either that they're still served out as base64 embedded content. I suspect the most elegant solution is to have your images live hosted somewhere else, and just add references to them.
karmajunkie 6y ago
i started using a spin-off of TW about 15 years ago (monkeygtd) and it was awesome for project management. started using TW again a few weeks ago, i was really glad to see it’s still under active development! trying to decide between that and org-mode now, but TW is definitely a good solution for those looking for a personal wiki
comex 6y ago
As far as I can tell, TiddlyWiki 5 has no feature or plugin to have revision history integrated into the UI, although one might come in the future [1]. According to [1], there used to be "TiddlyWeb/TiddlySpace, a robust serverside that supports revision history", but TiddlySpace (a hosted service) is dead, and TiddlyWeb (an open source codebase that I guess was the backend for TiddlySpace?) seems to be no longer maintained and mainly targeted the 'old' (pre-5.x) TiddlyWiki. That's too bad for me, because I have a use case where I'd otherwise be very interested in using TiddlyWiki. I love that links load instantly, I love that forking a TiddlyWiki is trivial, I'm interested in the idea of dividing information into smaller-than-a-normal-wiki-page 'tiddlers', and I like the UI design. Overall, I can't find any other software that quite matches TiddlyWiki's capabilities. But my use case is for a publicly editable wiki, so it's critical that revision history not only exist but be integrated into the UI. Right now, as far as I can tell, the closest approximation would be to use TiddlyWiki's feature of auto-saving to a Git hosting service (which for some reason supports only specific hosting services, not arbitrary remotes?). Then you could browse the history on that service. But that would be a totally separate site from the wiki itself, which would create an awkward user experience. [1] https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/issues/436#issuecomment-36062142 https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/issues/436#issuecom...
- coliveira 6y ago
  If you need this so much, you can just use TiddlyWiki 4.
- fsiefken 6y ago
  You could use the node tiddlywiki which saves the tiddlers in separate files, you could also use the markdown plugin and the tiddlers are saved in seperate markdown files. Perhaps as service could do a git commit with each file change in the background, perhaps saving the browserstring and ip address with it. You could make a seperate page - for example Gitlab with the commit history.
- mch82 6y ago
  Try checking the file into GitLab (or GitHub) pages. It’s just an HTML5 file. Use pull requests to manage changes. Use the git repo as your history. In the 2005-2009 timeframe I served a TiddlyWiki from PTC Windchill as a project website for my team. Windchill provided the access, change history & configuration management layer.
Natales 6y ago
I find fascinating how many folks, typically on the younger side, gravitate to proprietary (and expensive!) software like Roam Research and others, in search for personal knowledge management solutions, without seriously considering TW. Coupled with the proper plugins, I find TW to be the most comprehensive, flexible and powerful solution, guaranteed to work 20 years from now, all self-contained in a single file. Seriously, how amazing is that when you think about it! I talked to one of them recently, and he said it wasn't appealing because the name "wiki" sounded old school. Another beef was the use of JavaScript (yet, he'd find it cool if it were WASM. Go figure). The only legitimate criticism he mentioned was the lack of efficient image/file embedding or linking, which I don't find much of an issue with the [img[<file>]] syntax, provided you are well organized. I keep dozens of images (mostly food recipes) linked that way on my site [0] with 107 tiddlers currently, extremely snappy, and properly cached and compressed with CloudFlare, all with no issues whatsoever. My personal TW file (combined personal and work) has over 2,000 tiddlers and I feel no difference. Seriously, more people should give TW a try, just for a week or so, and see how can it change the way you retain, search and manage information. [0] https://ramirosalas.com https://ramirosalas.com
- h0p3 6y ago
  I'm happy to see some of your TW work in the open. `/salute`.
arvindamirtaa 6y ago
It has been so long since I've used TW. But It makes me so happy that this project is still chugging along.
kixiQu 6y ago
[My page on notetaking](https://maya.land/notetaking/ https://maya.land/notetaking/) links to [a thing I wrote on my TW setup](https://lesser.occult.institute/an-opinionated-approach-to-tiddlywiki https://lesser.occult.institute/an-opinionated-approach-to-t...) if anyone is interested in seeing a particular setup.
grumblepeet 6y ago
I recommend checking out TiddlyWiki Desktop as a mechanism for managing lots of wikis. I save my files to iCloud and sync that way between devices. I us Quine2 on the iPhone to open the files there. Also worth checking out Anne-Laure Le Cunff's article on how to set up a digital garden using TiddlyWiki and some TW plugins. https://nesslabs.com/digital-garden-set-up https://nesslabs.com/digital-garden-set-up
Tijdreiziger 6y ago
Am I the only one who misread the name on first glance?
5cents 6y ago
Tiddlywiki is an incredible tool/framework, and the community is very active and supportive [0]. To get an idea of how flexible it is, see the unofficial list of examples and plug-ins (featuring hundreds of categorized entries): https://dynalist.io/d/zUP-nIWu2FFoXH-oM7L7d9DM https://dynalist.io/d/zUP-nIWu2FFoXH-oM7L7d9DM [0] https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki

125 points by BurningTreeC 6y ago

Hi folks, tiddlywiki t.1.23 has been released today with many new features. See them at https://tiddlywiki.com/#Releases https://tiddlywiki.com/#Releases TiddlyWiki is a hackable, interactive, self-hosted web-notebook for all kinds of use-cases. I use it to keep track of my notes and todos. Is there anybody else using it here on this platform? best wishes, BTC

fsiefken 6y ago
I estimate the majority of the people commenting, including me! I love it, I also use it for keeping track of notes and todo's in tandem with org-mode. with (setq outline-regexp "#") I hope to get the best of both worlds.

BurningTreeC 6y ago

https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5 https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5

diego898 6y ago

Tiddlywiki has been my digital brain for 5 years! It’s infinitely hackable and I haven’t found a better system.

gjvc 6y ago

What's the best way to persist state with TiddlyWiki? I really would like to save without any browser extensions.

dbmikus 6y ago
I use the npm package and run it as a local server. Works well.
ahnick 6y ago
If you aren't tied strictly to using pure TiddlyWiki you may be interested in NoteSelf(https://noteself.org/ https://noteself.org/), which uses the browser's LocalStorage via PouchDB. Bonus, this can then be synchronized to any remote couchdb server.
porpoise 6y ago
This came out a while ago and I remember thinking it'd make the single file approach to TiddlyWiki effectively frictionless if you are Chrome user ... https://web.dev/file-system-access/ https://web.dev/file-system-access/
zachwill 6y ago
I've found setting up the Git integration to be the best way: https://tiddlywiki.com/static/Saving%2520to%2520a%2520Git%2520service.html https://tiddlywiki.com/static/Saving%2520to%2520a%2520Git%25...
- gpanders 6y ago
  I tried this but found it kind of confusing. How do you actually edit your wiki? As far as I can tell, when I make changes the wiki "saves" by making a new commit and pushing it to GitHub, but it doesn't modify the file itself. Meaning in order to update my local copy, I have to manually pull the changes down from GitHub every time. This seemed extremely awkward to me and I'm sure I'm missing something or doing something wrong
  - zachwill 6y ago
    1. It is confusing. I agree with you there. 2. Nope, the file is modified itself. 3. One thing that the documentation does a poor job of: all fields need to be filled out for GitHub integration. 4. Here's my settings in TiddlyWiki: https://i.imgur.com/MqbO28t.png https://i.imgur.com/MqbO28t.png

unicornporn 6y ago

> the JSZip Plugin with the ability to dynamically create Zip files, and thus to conveniently build multi-file static sites within the browser How cool is dat!?

soapdog 6y ago
I'm using the same techniques in my client-side epub generator.

Tepix 6y ago

It says it has different methods of storing data. What are those methods?

BurningTreeC 6y ago
You can have a look at https://tiddlywiki.com/#Saving https://tiddlywiki.com/#Saving and check your operating system on the left to show a list of possible saving methods If you have further questions, there's a very helpful community at https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki

RockstarSprain 6y ago

Happy to see the project is still evolving! Was a happy user of TiddlyWiki 5+ years ago but eventually left when adding too many pictures made that HTML file so bloated it could barely open. Are there any workarounds for this now in the community? Can I add various files / pics to the wiki and not worry about it bloating? Would appreciate insights on this. (Meanwhile switched to a set of Markdown-driven directories in a cloud.) (Edit: first line, grammar.)

kixiQu 6y ago
There is lazy-loading now you can use with the server edition, but I don't like either that they're still served out as base64 embedded content. I suspect the most elegant solution is to have your images live hosted somewhere else, and just add references to them.

karmajunkie 6y ago

i started using a spin-off of TW about 15 years ago (monkeygtd) and it was awesome for project management. started using TW again a few weeks ago, i was really glad to see it’s still under active development! trying to decide between that and org-mode now, but TW is definitely a good solution for those looking for a personal wiki

comex 6y ago

As far as I can tell, TiddlyWiki 5 has no feature or plugin to have revision history integrated into the UI, although one might come in the future [1]. According to [1], there used to be "TiddlyWeb/TiddlySpace, a robust serverside that supports revision history", but TiddlySpace (a hosted service) is dead, and TiddlyWeb (an open source codebase that I guess was the backend for TiddlySpace?) seems to be no longer maintained and mainly targeted the 'old' (pre-5.x) TiddlyWiki. That's too bad for me, because I have a use case where I'd otherwise be very interested in using TiddlyWiki. I love that links load instantly, I love that forking a TiddlyWiki is trivial, I'm interested in the idea of dividing information into smaller-than-a-normal-wiki-page 'tiddlers', and I like the UI design. Overall, I can't find any other software that quite matches TiddlyWiki's capabilities. But my use case is for a publicly editable wiki, so it's critical that revision history not only exist but be integrated into the UI. Right now, as far as I can tell, the closest approximation would be to use TiddlyWiki's feature of auto-saving to a Git hosting service (which for some reason supports only specific hosting services, not arbitrary remotes?). Then you could browse the history on that service. But that would be a totally separate site from the wiki itself, which would create an awkward user experience. [1] https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/issues/436#issuecomment-36062142 https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/issues/436#issuecom...

coliveira 6y ago
If you need this so much, you can just use TiddlyWiki 4.
fsiefken 6y ago
You could use the node tiddlywiki which saves the tiddlers in separate files, you could also use the markdown plugin and the tiddlers are saved in seperate markdown files. Perhaps as service could do a git commit with each file change in the background, perhaps saving the browserstring and ip address with it. You could make a seperate page - for example Gitlab with the commit history.
mch82 6y ago
Try checking the file into GitLab (or GitHub) pages. It’s just an HTML5 file. Use pull requests to manage changes. Use the git repo as your history. In the 2005-2009 timeframe I served a TiddlyWiki from PTC Windchill as a project website for my team. Windchill provided the access, change history & configuration management layer.

Natales 6y ago

I find fascinating how many folks, typically on the younger side, gravitate to proprietary (and expensive!) software like Roam Research and others, in search for personal knowledge management solutions, without seriously considering TW. Coupled with the proper plugins, I find TW to be the most comprehensive, flexible and powerful solution, guaranteed to work 20 years from now, all self-contained in a single file. Seriously, how amazing is that when you think about it! I talked to one of them recently, and he said it wasn't appealing because the name "wiki" sounded old school. Another beef was the use of JavaScript (yet, he'd find it cool if it were WASM. Go figure). The only legitimate criticism he mentioned was the lack of efficient image/file embedding or linking, which I don't find much of an issue with the [img[<file>]] syntax, provided you are well organized. I keep dozens of images (mostly food recipes) linked that way on my site [0] with 107 tiddlers currently, extremely snappy, and properly cached and compressed with CloudFlare, all with no issues whatsoever. My personal TW file (combined personal and work) has over 2,000 tiddlers and I feel no difference. Seriously, more people should give TW a try, just for a week or so, and see how can it change the way you retain, search and manage information. [0] https://ramirosalas.com https://ramirosalas.com

h0p3 6y ago
I'm happy to see some of your TW work in the open. `/salute`.

arvindamirtaa 6y ago

It has been so long since I've used TW. But It makes me so happy that this project is still chugging along.

kixiQu 6y ago

[My page on notetaking](https://maya.land/notetaking/ https://maya.land/notetaking/) links to [a thing I wrote on my TW setup](https://lesser.occult.institute/an-opinionated-approach-to-tiddlywiki https://lesser.occult.institute/an-opinionated-approach-to-t...) if anyone is interested in seeing a particular setup.

grumblepeet 6y ago

I recommend checking out TiddlyWiki Desktop as a mechanism for managing lots of wikis. I save my files to iCloud and sync that way between devices. I us Quine2 on the iPhone to open the files there. Also worth checking out Anne-Laure Le Cunff's article on how to set up a digital garden using TiddlyWiki and some TW plugins. https://nesslabs.com/digital-garden-set-up https://nesslabs.com/digital-garden-set-up

Tijdreiziger 6y ago

Am I the only one who misread the name on first glance?

5cents 6y ago

Tiddlywiki is an incredible tool/framework, and the community is very active and supportive [0]. To get an idea of how flexible it is, see the unofficial list of examples and plug-ins (featuring hundreds of categorized entries): https://dynalist.io/d/zUP-nIWu2FFoXH-oM7L7d9DM https://dynalist.io/d/zUP-nIWu2FFoXH-oM7L7d9DM [0] https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki