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I am a fan of long-distance cycle touring, (and cycling in general)and the number of times that I've almost been hit (AND been a victim of a hit & run) is too h

I am a fan of long-distance cycle touring, (and cycling in general)and the number of times that I've almost been hit (AND been a victim of a hit & run) is too high to count. I've done things like place a laminated info-sheet with my name, address, DOB, blood-type, etc. in my panniers in the hope that it would help identify the body if it ever came to that. I realized however that emergency responders probably won't find it, or won't look at it if they do find it. So I got a tattoo on my chest with name, DOB, blood-type and Drivers License number. These are 2 pictures, one showing a bare-loadout (activity: grocery shopping) https://photos.app.goo.gl/kq3rhXV6daFDtSVL8 https://photos.app.goo.gl/kq3rhXV6daFDtSVL8 And this is a a medium touring load-out: https://photos.app.goo.gl/fXgfsRWf8RCLPeTN8 https://photos.app.goo.gl/fXgfsRWf8RCLPeTN8 I think you could see why I assume a cop might never find emergency information.

xwdv 6y ago
I’d love to do a long distance cycling tour but the fear of being hit and killed is what will prevent me from truly enjoying it.
- mikeyouse 6y ago
  Yeah same here. Just this week, the CFO of Sports Basement was among a group of riders struck and killed by a box truck driver who was high on meth. They were riding in a group with a support car and it still didn’t help. Just awful.
  - hodgesrm 6y ago
    I've done a lot of day cycling as well as bike touring. There's certainly risk in touring but it's not easy to disengage it from cycling in general. The practical problem in touring is you may end up on roads with (a) no shoulder, (b) heavy traffic, and (c) drivers who are not expecting to see bicycles. Oregon highway 140 from Klamath Falls to Medford was one of the scarier roads I've ever toured on. Stuff you might think is a death trap actually isn't. Logging trucks are terrifying for bicyclists, but by and large the drivers are really good and tend to pay close attention to the road. I'm more worried about the old fella driving his RV.
    - syndacks 6y ago
      I was riding down the West coast a few years ago, met a cycling friend who I rode with a couple days. An RV passed us (my friend was behind me) and he said that the step ladder or whatever thing on the side of the RV was unhitched and came within inches of hitting me. I usually ride alone; who knows how many close calls I've had like that. Gives me the chills just thinking about it.
      - hodgesrm 6y ago
        I've had similar experiences. As you say there are more close calls than you realize. Still, I love being on the bike with full touring gear. It's a hell of an adventure.
- Mediterraneo10 6y ago
  Provided that you have wide tires, appropriately low gearing on the bike, and no strict schedule, then you can choose unpaved routes across much of the world where you will almost never see other cars. Or, even if there are occasional cars, the terrain would force them to move at so slow a speed they don’t pose a danger.
- johnp314 6y ago
  I did a solo cross-USA ride in 2007, Maryland to Calif. Some roads were rather hairy and frightening. I've also bicycle commuted to my work across various jobs over 30 years, from Philly to San Diego and points in between (not religiously in all weather but probably 30% of the time). I tell folks my most important safety item for bicycling is my rear-view mirror, I don't leave home without it. I don't mean one of those little things attached to the helmet, I mean a nice stable one attached to the handlebars. You may see me on occasion (especially on hot days) bicycling without a helmet, I almost never use my lights, but you'll never see me on a bicycle without a rear view mirror. I've never had to ditch because of what I saw coming at me, but many times I pull farther onto the shoulder or even stop and pause given what I saw coming from behind. You can see my 2007 X-country day-by-day diary here: https://www.crazyguyonabike.com/doc/?o=1mr&doc_id=2579&v=LL https://www.crazyguyonabike.com/doc/?o=1mr&doc_id=2579&v=LL
  - syndacks 6y ago
    Yep, though I think a safety vest beats the mirror for me in terms of safety.
  - tasuki 6y ago
    My ultimate bike survival hack is this reflexive "hand" mounted on the bike, extending half a metre towards the road: it makes you appear wider, and were it to be hit it'd just told.
- nodamage 6y ago
  I would suggest doing it in Europe where many countries have dedicated cycle paths that are separated from the main roads. Much less risky, much more enjoyable.
watwatinthewat 6y ago
The US military way from the Vietnam War on is two metal IDs (dog tags) tied through shoelaces and around the neck. Tattoo is probably more of a surety for positive identification except certain in cases like fire where the metal tag is more likely to make it through the situation than skin or laminated paper as well. You can get dog tags made up for like $5 or so online probably...pretty cheap and effective.
- UI_at_80x24 6y ago
  This is such an obvious and great idea. Especially with the information posted by the EMT. Great suggestion.
FlyMoreRockets 6y ago
I retired from EMS a couple of years ago and have run on several cyclists (and pedestrians) hit by cars (and trucks (and a train)). I advise you to carry your ID in a pocket on your person, if your cycling clothes have pockets. The first place law enforcement or EMS looks for ID is in a pocket, especially a wallet. While it is standard practace to "trauma strip" a patient by cutting their clothing off, the simple fact is that if a patient is clearly DOA (say due to massive head trauma), the EMTs may not do anything other than check for a pulse. Particularly if the accident happened on a desolate stretch of highway that took the ambulance an hour to reach. If there is a chance the person is still alive, it is not uncommon to place EKG pads on their chest, but some EMTs just slip them on under the shirt, rather than expose the chest. This is especially common if the patient is a different gender than the first responder, or if the assessment is being done roadside, rather than in the ambulance. Part of this is that EMTs are trained to disturb crime scenes as little as possible, so as to not to disrupt police investigations.
- UI_at_80x24 6y ago
  Unfortunately most of the time I'm not wearing shorts that have pockets. I do take your advice to heart though. Maybe dog-tags/medic-alter necklace might be a good idea too.
  - setgree 6y ago
    Maybe you should? (Wear shorts that have pockets). This is the kind of trade off that people who get really into something make, they don’t put on a pair of running shorts that weigh 2-3 oz. and slip an ID in there, to avoid the extra weight. I get it, I have some hobbies that I’m pretty serious about — but the point of the above EMT’s post is to think through what would happen in the event of the worst. If I got hit by a bus, whether or not I was dead, I’d want someone to be able to call my mom pretty fast. That’s hard when you’re optimizing for the version of the experience where everything goes well. One thing I recommend is getting an extra disposable ID to carry while biking or running. It would be a pain to replace my driver’s license but my NYC ID is just a matter of filling out a form online.
  - Mediterraneo10 6y ago
jerlam 6y ago
When I was involved in a cycling-related incident, I had to specifically ask the paramedics to carry my traditional bike onto the ambulance. They probably wouldn't have if I needed critical care. A recumbent bike is much larger and the odds are much higher you will be separated from it. A tattoo seems a bit extreme but I imagine that it's something that you'll never forget to bring.
syndacks 6y ago
Cyclist, tourer here. Is the recumbent by choice or necessity? If the former, have you considered a more traditional frame? Recumbents are so hard to see, even if you have flags and what not.

xwdv 6y ago

I’d love to do a long distance cycling tour but the fear of being hit and killed is what will prevent me from truly enjoying it.

mikeyouse 6y ago
Yeah same here. Just this week, the CFO of Sports Basement was among a group of riders struck and killed by a box truck driver who was high on meth. They were riding in a group with a support car and it still didn’t help. Just awful.
- hodgesrm 6y ago
  I've done a lot of day cycling as well as bike touring. There's certainly risk in touring but it's not easy to disengage it from cycling in general. The practical problem in touring is you may end up on roads with (a) no shoulder, (b) heavy traffic, and (c) drivers who are not expecting to see bicycles. Oregon highway 140 from Klamath Falls to Medford was one of the scarier roads I've ever toured on. Stuff you might think is a death trap actually isn't. Logging trucks are terrifying for bicyclists, but by and large the drivers are really good and tend to pay close attention to the road. I'm more worried about the old fella driving his RV.
  - syndacks 6y ago
    I was riding down the West coast a few years ago, met a cycling friend who I rode with a couple days. An RV passed us (my friend was behind me) and he said that the step ladder or whatever thing on the side of the RV was unhitched and came within inches of hitting me. I usually ride alone; who knows how many close calls I've had like that. Gives me the chills just thinking about it.
    - hodgesrm 6y ago
      I've had similar experiences. As you say there are more close calls than you realize. Still, I love being on the bike with full touring gear. It's a hell of an adventure.
Mediterraneo10 6y ago
Provided that you have wide tires, appropriately low gearing on the bike, and no strict schedule, then you can choose unpaved routes across much of the world where you will almost never see other cars. Or, even if there are occasional cars, the terrain would force them to move at so slow a speed they don’t pose a danger.
johnp314 6y ago
I did a solo cross-USA ride in 2007, Maryland to Calif. Some roads were rather hairy and frightening. I've also bicycle commuted to my work across various jobs over 30 years, from Philly to San Diego and points in between (not religiously in all weather but probably 30% of the time). I tell folks my most important safety item for bicycling is my rear-view mirror, I don't leave home without it. I don't mean one of those little things attached to the helmet, I mean a nice stable one attached to the handlebars. You may see me on occasion (especially on hot days) bicycling without a helmet, I almost never use my lights, but you'll never see me on a bicycle without a rear view mirror. I've never had to ditch because of what I saw coming at me, but many times I pull farther onto the shoulder or even stop and pause given what I saw coming from behind. You can see my 2007 X-country day-by-day diary here: https://www.crazyguyonabike.com/doc/?o=1mr&doc_id=2579&v=LL https://www.crazyguyonabike.com/doc/?o=1mr&doc_id=2579&v=LL
- syndacks 6y ago
  Yep, though I think a safety vest beats the mirror for me in terms of safety.
- tasuki 6y ago
  My ultimate bike survival hack is this reflexive "hand" mounted on the bike, extending half a metre towards the road: it makes you appear wider, and were it to be hit it'd just told.
nodamage 6y ago
I would suggest doing it in Europe where many countries have dedicated cycle paths that are separated from the main roads. Much less risky, much more enjoyable.

watwatinthewat 6y ago

The US military way from the Vietnam War on is two metal IDs (dog tags) tied through shoelaces and around the neck. Tattoo is probably more of a surety for positive identification except certain in cases like fire where the metal tag is more likely to make it through the situation than skin or laminated paper as well. You can get dog tags made up for like $5 or so online probably...pretty cheap and effective.

UI_at_80x24 6y ago
This is such an obvious and great idea. Especially with the information posted by the EMT. Great suggestion.

FlyMoreRockets 6y ago

I retired from EMS a couple of years ago and have run on several cyclists (and pedestrians) hit by cars (and trucks (and a train)). I advise you to carry your ID in a pocket on your person, if your cycling clothes have pockets. The first place law enforcement or EMS looks for ID is in a pocket, especially a wallet. While it is standard practace to "trauma strip" a patient by cutting their clothing off, the simple fact is that if a patient is clearly DOA (say due to massive head trauma), the EMTs may not do anything other than check for a pulse. Particularly if the accident happened on a desolate stretch of highway that took the ambulance an hour to reach. If there is a chance the person is still alive, it is not uncommon to place EKG pads on their chest, but some EMTs just slip them on under the shirt, rather than expose the chest. This is especially common if the patient is a different gender than the first responder, or if the assessment is being done roadside, rather than in the ambulance. Part of this is that EMTs are trained to disturb crime scenes as little as possible, so as to not to disrupt police investigations.

UI_at_80x24 6y ago
Unfortunately most of the time I'm not wearing shorts that have pockets. I do take your advice to heart though. Maybe dog-tags/medic-alter necklace might be a good idea too.
- setgree 6y ago
  Maybe you should? (Wear shorts that have pockets). This is the kind of trade off that people who get really into something make, they don’t put on a pair of running shorts that weigh 2-3 oz. and slip an ID in there, to avoid the extra weight. I get it, I have some hobbies that I’m pretty serious about — but the point of the above EMT’s post is to think through what would happen in the event of the worst. If I got hit by a bus, whether or not I was dead, I’d want someone to be able to call my mom pretty fast. That’s hard when you’re optimizing for the version of the experience where everything goes well. One thing I recommend is getting an extra disposable ID to carry while biking or running. It would be a pain to replace my driver’s license but my NYC ID is just a matter of filling out a form online.
- Mediterraneo10 6y ago

jerlam 6y ago

When I was involved in a cycling-related incident, I had to specifically ask the paramedics to carry my traditional bike onto the ambulance. They probably wouldn't have if I needed critical care. A recumbent bike is much larger and the odds are much higher you will be separated from it. A tattoo seems a bit extreme but I imagine that it's something that you'll never forget to bring.

syndacks 6y ago

Cyclist, tourer here. Is the recumbent by choice or necessity? If the former, have you considered a more traditional frame? Recumbents are so hard to see, even if you have flags and what not.