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Justice delayed is justice denied. I realise we have to go through a process, but there's a bus load of dead people and grieving families and friends waiting an

Justice delayed is justice denied. I realise we have to go through a process, but there's a bus load of dead people and grieving families and friends waiting and waiting. This delay to justice is awful and I couldn't imagine being on the receiving end of it. There's also a good chance it'll just end with "multiple failures, sozlol" and a couple of fines and everyone jogs on. The whole thing is just disgusting.

pessimizer 6y ago
The delay is a tactic to protect the guilty. Nothing is being or will be discovered about Grenfell that wasn't publicly and widely known within weeks. They're waiting until the public anger has dissipated enough that they can weather the reaction when they announce that no one will be punished. The British always do this to save their toffs, see Chilcot or Hillsborough. Everybody has to report on the initial disaster, and after each wave of the media cycle, more outlets decide to stop reporting on the story (or for many, decide if they can get away with stopping.) The government press releases get fewer and trickle to a near stop, so now the only press releases they're getting are from victims groups and lawyers which are easy to ignore. Eventually a report is released that condemns everyone for incompetence and nobody for malice, and a recently retired fall guy is chosen to have some moderate consequences, like a retroactive reduction in rank that slightly affects their pension. If our rulers weren't protected from consequences, they'd have to be competent. Endless delay got Epstein night-jail on a child sex trafficking case that started as one of the most observed prosecutions in the US.
secondcoming 6y ago
> Justice delayed is justice denied This is a catchy slogan, but it doesn't really make sense.
- tremon 6y ago
  What justice is there when a killer gets sentenced to life in prison at his 70th birthday, for a crime he committed when he was 20? What good is it for a man to be acquitted of a crime, when he has already spent 25 years behind bars? What good is it for a family to receive millions in compensation for some wrongdoing, when they've been living in destitute state for more than a decade? In all those cases, the victims have not received "justice" for a major, defining, part of their life. That's what the catchy slogan tries to capture.
- _0o6v 6y ago
  It makes perfect sense and is a well-known legal saying. Edit: apparently it may be attributable to William Penn, of Pennsylvania fame.
- renke1 6y ago
  Is that so? – It rings true to me. The longer justice is delayed the less the population cares about it and people get away with whatever injustice they did. For whatever reason [0] came to my mind thinking about it. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Love_Parade_disaster https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Love_Parade_disaster

pessimizer 6y ago

The delay is a tactic to protect the guilty. Nothing is being or will be discovered about Grenfell that wasn't publicly and widely known within weeks. They're waiting until the public anger has dissipated enough that they can weather the reaction when they announce that no one will be punished. The British always do this to save their toffs, see Chilcot or Hillsborough. Everybody has to report on the initial disaster, and after each wave of the media cycle, more outlets decide to stop reporting on the story (or for many, decide if they can get away with stopping.) The government press releases get fewer and trickle to a near stop, so now the only press releases they're getting are from victims groups and lawyers which are easy to ignore. Eventually a report is released that condemns everyone for incompetence and nobody for malice, and a recently retired fall guy is chosen to have some moderate consequences, like a retroactive reduction in rank that slightly affects their pension. If our rulers weren't protected from consequences, they'd have to be competent. Endless delay got Epstein night-jail on a child sex trafficking case that started as one of the most observed prosecutions in the US.

secondcoming 6y ago

> Justice delayed is justice denied This is a catchy slogan, but it doesn't really make sense.

tremon 6y ago
What justice is there when a killer gets sentenced to life in prison at his 70th birthday, for a crime he committed when he was 20? What good is it for a man to be acquitted of a crime, when he has already spent 25 years behind bars? What good is it for a family to receive millions in compensation for some wrongdoing, when they've been living in destitute state for more than a decade? In all those cases, the victims have not received "justice" for a major, defining, part of their life. That's what the catchy slogan tries to capture.
_0o6v 6y ago
It makes perfect sense and is a well-known legal saying. Edit: apparently it may be attributable to William Penn, of Pennsylvania fame.
renke1 6y ago
Is that so? – It rings true to me. The longer justice is delayed the less the population cares about it and people get away with whatever injustice they did. For whatever reason [0] came to my mind thinking about it. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Love_Parade_disaster https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Love_Parade_disaster