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Title makes it sound as if a whole organized group of neonazis were found with explosives and a bunch of other action-movie equipment,... ...and then goes on t

Title makes it sound as if a whole organized group of neonazis were found with explosives and a bunch of other action-movie equipment,... ...and then goes on to explain most of the stuff was "planned" by a 17yo kid in a chatroom.

mtgx 6y ago
Wait till you find out the FBI actually funds 100% of the "muslim terrorist plots" it "finds" on US soil.
jacquesm 6y ago
Does that matter though? At 17 years old I was quite capable of planning and executing something like this, I don't think the age of the person matters all that much when it comes to destruction teenagers are quite creative even when they don't have access to weapons and explosives. Besides that there are apparently at least three others involved in this plot. Radicalization at a young age is what drives a lot of the terrorist activity world wide, I don't see why white supremacists should get a free pass. If this guy had been brown and/or a Muslim there likely would be lots of people yelling for his head. Tamerlan Tsarnaev was only 19 when he bombed the Boston marathon.
- swiley 6y ago
  People say stupid things on the internet all the time though. Flipping out over every dramatic teenager is what the FBI is going to have to do to prevent another bombing. Whether that makes sense is a different question.
  - jacquesm 6y ago
    This one looks to be a bit further along than just talking in chat rooms. At the same time, the FBI is not exactly known for being 100% truthful all the time and has been known to actively push these plots along to the point where they became real enough that something had to be done about it. That's not kind of thing that will help them in the longer run.
  - Fnoord 6y ago
    People need to understand whatever they write online can have repercussions. That you get away with saying stupid things on the internet is irrelevant. Criminal youth, including underaged, are organizing online to perform criminal acts. This is just one of the examples of that. I don't know how the FBI does it, but the Dutch police have to work with the following (compatible with ECHR): "In the Netherlands we have the so called Tallon criterium. A person cannot be enticed by the investigating officer to perform a criminal act or omission other than he or she had already planned to do. A foreign police officer who is deployed for infiltration has to meet high standards (knowledge and skills). The check is undertaken by the national public prosecutor." [1] [1] https://www.ejn-crimjust.europa.eu/ejn/EJN_FichesBelgesResult/EN/202/337/-1 https://www.ejn-crimjust.europa.eu/ejn/EJN_FichesBelgesResul...
- roenxi 6y ago
  Are they planning to hold the Boston marathon inside a substation? Is electricity the target of modern neo-Nazi ideology? The article makes them sound stupid and they probably deserve some police attention. But their plot doesn't sound racially charged. The article makes a big point of calling them Nazis, which is the same brand of stupidity as making a big deal about some criminals being brown and/or Muslim. It probably isn't relevant.
DaniloDias 6y ago
By 2020 journalism logic, Discord servers filled with idiots are kristallnacht. I cannot understand why people believe anything on the internet anymore. How much money must the advertisers be burning before getting their first customer?
boomboomsubban 6y ago
Going by the FBI's history, the kid likely suffers from some kind of mental issue and the FBI were every other person in the chat room convincing him to attack while providing explosives.
- abellerose 6y ago
  Yah that part of how the FBI handles these situations has always made me really upset. The FBI's main task should be isolating an unstable kid from interacting with disturbing chat rooms and first see if the kid's mentality will fizzles out after some time away from it. Instead they basically nurture the messed up mentality of the kid and until they can go ahead with charging the kid while it likely could've been prevented if the messed up mentality wasn't nurtured.
- 082349872349872 6y ago
  I'll wait for the affidavits in this case before commenting further, but the FBI has learned something in the last 60 years. The last set of affidavits I read was the reverse of O'Brien and Smith in 1984[1]: the FBI resources kept reminding the suspects they were supposedly from Hamas, and asked the suspects open-endedly what projects they could help with, rather than prompting specifically. [1] TL;DR if a member of the Inner Party asks if you are willing to kill innocents and throw acid in children's faces, please don't say "yes".
  - boomboomsubban 6y ago
    >but the FBI has learned something in the last 60 years. They have learned to entrap people without legally being considered entrapment. Not what I'd consider a good skill for them to have.
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paganel 6y ago
> Title makes it sound as if a whole organized group of neonazis Not a neo-nazi but there was also Giangiacomo Feltrinelli. From the wiki page [1]: > Giangiacomo Feltrinelli (Italian: [dʒanˈdʒaːkomo feltriˈnɛlli]; 19 June 1926 – 14 March 1972) was an influential Italian publisher and businessman active following the Second World War. He founded a vast library of documents mainly in the history of international labor and socialist movements. He became a left-wing activist preceding Italy's Years of Lead. > On 15 March 1972, Feltrinelli was found dead at the foot of the pylon of a high-voltage power-line at Segrate, near Milan, apparently killed by his own explosives while on an operation with other GAP members.[26] Some 8,000 people attended Feltrinelli's funeral. The Feltrinelli bookstores are one of the first things I enter when I get to an Italian city. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giangiacomo_Feltrinelli#Guerilla_activity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giangiacomo_Feltrinelli#Gueril...
hef19898 6y ago
And what make syou think a 17 year old could have done harm? He managed to convince 3 others, at least, to go along with the plan.
DanBC 6y ago
Parkland, Florida: 17 people killed by a 19 year old. Charleston Church: 9 people killed by a 21 year old. (It would be easier to refute your point if the US bothered to define and then count mass killings, but for some reason they don't)

mtgx 6y ago

Wait till you find out the FBI actually funds 100% of the "muslim terrorist plots" it "finds" on US soil.

jacquesm 6y ago

Does that matter though? At 17 years old I was quite capable of planning and executing something like this, I don't think the age of the person matters all that much when it comes to destruction teenagers are quite creative even when they don't have access to weapons and explosives. Besides that there are apparently at least three others involved in this plot. Radicalization at a young age is what drives a lot of the terrorist activity world wide, I don't see why white supremacists should get a free pass. If this guy had been brown and/or a Muslim there likely would be lots of people yelling for his head. Tamerlan Tsarnaev was only 19 when he bombed the Boston marathon.

swiley 6y ago
People say stupid things on the internet all the time though. Flipping out over every dramatic teenager is what the FBI is going to have to do to prevent another bombing. Whether that makes sense is a different question.
- jacquesm 6y ago
  This one looks to be a bit further along than just talking in chat rooms. At the same time, the FBI is not exactly known for being 100% truthful all the time and has been known to actively push these plots along to the point where they became real enough that something had to be done about it. That's not kind of thing that will help them in the longer run.
- Fnoord 6y ago
  People need to understand whatever they write online can have repercussions. That you get away with saying stupid things on the internet is irrelevant. Criminal youth, including underaged, are organizing online to perform criminal acts. This is just one of the examples of that. I don't know how the FBI does it, but the Dutch police have to work with the following (compatible with ECHR): "In the Netherlands we have the so called Tallon criterium. A person cannot be enticed by the investigating officer to perform a criminal act or omission other than he or she had already planned to do. A foreign police officer who is deployed for infiltration has to meet high standards (knowledge and skills). The check is undertaken by the national public prosecutor." [1] [1] https://www.ejn-crimjust.europa.eu/ejn/EJN_FichesBelgesResult/EN/202/337/-1 https://www.ejn-crimjust.europa.eu/ejn/EJN_FichesBelgesResul...
roenxi 6y ago
Are they planning to hold the Boston marathon inside a substation? Is electricity the target of modern neo-Nazi ideology? The article makes them sound stupid and they probably deserve some police attention. But their plot doesn't sound racially charged. The article makes a big point of calling them Nazis, which is the same brand of stupidity as making a big deal about some criminals being brown and/or Muslim. It probably isn't relevant.

DaniloDias 6y ago

By 2020 journalism logic, Discord servers filled with idiots are kristallnacht. I cannot understand why people believe anything on the internet anymore. How much money must the advertisers be burning before getting their first customer?

boomboomsubban 6y ago

Going by the FBI's history, the kid likely suffers from some kind of mental issue and the FBI were every other person in the chat room convincing him to attack while providing explosives.

abellerose 6y ago
Yah that part of how the FBI handles these situations has always made me really upset. The FBI's main task should be isolating an unstable kid from interacting with disturbing chat rooms and first see if the kid's mentality will fizzles out after some time away from it. Instead they basically nurture the messed up mentality of the kid and until they can go ahead with charging the kid while it likely could've been prevented if the messed up mentality wasn't nurtured.
082349872349872 6y ago
I'll wait for the affidavits in this case before commenting further, but the FBI has learned something in the last 60 years. The last set of affidavits I read was the reverse of O'Brien and Smith in 1984[1]: the FBI resources kept reminding the suspects they were supposedly from Hamas, and asked the suspects open-endedly what projects they could help with, rather than prompting specifically. [1] TL;DR if a member of the Inner Party asks if you are willing to kill innocents and throw acid in children's faces, please don't say "yes".
- boomboomsubban 6y ago
  >but the FBI has learned something in the last 60 years. They have learned to entrap people without legally being considered entrapment. Not what I'd consider a good skill for them to have.

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paganel 6y ago

> Title makes it sound as if a whole organized group of neonazis Not a neo-nazi but there was also Giangiacomo Feltrinelli. From the wiki page [1]: > Giangiacomo Feltrinelli (Italian: [dʒanˈdʒaːkomo feltriˈnɛlli]; 19 June 1926 – 14 March 1972) was an influential Italian publisher and businessman active following the Second World War. He founded a vast library of documents mainly in the history of international labor and socialist movements. He became a left-wing activist preceding Italy's Years of Lead. > On 15 March 1972, Feltrinelli was found dead at the foot of the pylon of a high-voltage power-line at Segrate, near Milan, apparently killed by his own explosives while on an operation with other GAP members.[26] Some 8,000 people attended Feltrinelli's funeral. The Feltrinelli bookstores are one of the first things I enter when I get to an Italian city. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giangiacomo_Feltrinelli#Guerilla_activity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giangiacomo_Feltrinelli#Gueril...

hef19898 6y ago

And what make syou think a 17 year old could have done harm? He managed to convince 3 others, at least, to go along with the plan.

DanBC 6y ago

Parkland, Florida: 17 people killed by a 19 year old. Charleston Church: 9 people killed by a 21 year old. (It would be easier to refute your point if the US bothered to define and then count mass killings, but for some reason they don't)