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There needs to be a balance. Unlimited immigration is unsustainable (Europe can’t support 3bn people), so there have to be some limits. Also, I value my cultu
by tomp 6y ago
There needs to be a balance.
Unlimited immigration is unsustainable (Europe can’t support 3bn people), so there have to be some limits.
Also, I value my culture (not in the “food & language” sense, but in “enlightenment values” sense), and have no interest in admitting more people who don’t value or respect this culture.
Finally, you need to correctly read the situation. Most pro-immigration people support it to lower labour costs. They will of course deny it and claim “humanitarian reasons”, but it was plainly obvious during Covid, with e.g. UK companies complaining that fruit is gonna rot on the fields without immigrant labour... like, have you considered hiring locals??
- tuwtuwtuwtuw 6y ago> Most pro-immigration people support it to lower labour costs. Do you have a source for this claim?
- barry-cotter 6y agoThree billion people in the current European Union would be 68 people per square km, about as dense as Mexico or Ukraine. As far as culture goes immigrants assimilate. By the third generation it’s rare to actually be able to speak the language of their ancestors. Catholic immigrants to the US were feared as agents of Rome. Now the average American Catholic has a Protestant conception of what religion is, they’re so mixed in. Or look at Asian Americans. From the point of view of someone living in China the idea that people actually identify with this is more than a little absurd. It’s like white. This identity has no purchase in the emigrant sending countries. In the end without continuing immigration all ethnic communities that are not closed to intermarriage dissolve. As far as humanitarian reasons go for opposing immigration controls see Fabio Rojas or Bryan Caplan. We exist.
- sofixa 6y agoIt depends. In France, most of the terrorist attacks were committed and planned by radicalised first or second generation "immigrants"(or descendents thereof). They don't feel French, they don't feel like the origin of their parents/etc. so they pick religion.
- travisoneill1 6y agoJust because it's theoretically possible to fit 3bn people in Europe doesn't mean the Europeans should want to do it.
- UncleMeat 6y ago> Unlimited immigration is unsustainable (Europe can’t support 3bn people), so there have to be some limits. If it were just about population, why is there no concern with natural population rise due to birth rates? > Also, I value my culture (not in the “food & language” sense, but in “enlightenment values” sense), and have no interest in admitting more people who don’t value or respect this culture. Surely then it would be possible to institute a "cultural test" where people who do agree with "enlightenment values" are free to immigrate. I also think it is incredibly questionable for europe to lay claim to "enlightenment values", as if those are a single unified system of values that belongs solely to europe and is matched by modern european states.
- jwond 6y ago> If it were just about population, why is there no concern with natural population rise due to birth rates? Probably because in most/all Western countries birth rates are at or below replacement rates, so the only reason the population is still rising is due to immigration.
- UncleMeat 6y agoDo you honestly believe that if the population was rising due to birth rates, that there'd be whinging about the economic impacts?