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> To this end I havent seen a good explanation from Telegram as to why they have taken this route given .. They say it is for speed. Looking at how fast Telegr

by ffpip 6y ago

> To this end I havent seen a good explanation from Telegram as to why they have taken this route given .. They say it is for speed. Looking at how fast Telegram is, I can say it worked for them. It is the most reliable app that works on slow internet for me. https://core.telegram.org/techfaq#q-why-did-you-go-for-a-custom-protocol https://core.telegram.org/techfaq#q-why-did-you-go-for-a-cus...

bjoli 6y ago
Their protocol is not encrypted by default, which is an odd choice. And on any smartphone made in the last 10 years encryption should not be a bottleneck in any other way than maybe compression size, which is pretty irrelevant since most of the larger things you are sending will be heavily compressed before encryption (video and images come to mind).
- ffpip 6y ago
  > And on any smartphone made in the last 10 years encryption should not be a bottleneck in any other way.. Telegram is the fastest messenger on my 3 year old phone and is significantly faster than the other 6 messengers on it (some of them are e2ee and some only TLS encrypted.
  - bjoli 6y ago
    Which probably has nothing to do with encryption. The TLS messengers are using AES as well (and unless you are using secret chats for all your communication Telegram is in this camp as well). What you are experiencing is probably "just" UI.
    - ffpip 6y ago
      Yes, but signal has another layer of encryption. Even if the server is compromised or TLS is broken, singal chats shouldn't leak.
- SpaceRaccoon 6y ago
  > Their protocol is not encrypted by default, which is an odd choice. That's because end-to-end encrypted chats are only available on a single device, since the e2e keys are not shared between devices. Most users switch between devices and like to have everything stored in the cloud, so having that as the default is the obvious convenience. Anybody who is concerned about e2e can easily start a secret chat for that purposes, at the expense of cloud functionality.

by ffpip 6y ago

bjoli 6y ago

Their protocol is not encrypted by default, which is an odd choice. And on any smartphone made in the last 10 years encryption should not be a bottleneck in any other way than maybe compression size, which is pretty irrelevant since most of the larger things you are sending will be heavily compressed before encryption (video and images come to mind).

ffpip 6y ago
> And on any smartphone made in the last 10 years encryption should not be a bottleneck in any other way.. Telegram is the fastest messenger on my 3 year old phone and is significantly faster than the other 6 messengers on it (some of them are e2ee and some only TLS encrypted.
- bjoli 6y ago
  Which probably has nothing to do with encryption. The TLS messengers are using AES as well (and unless you are using secret chats for all your communication Telegram is in this camp as well). What you are experiencing is probably "just" UI.
  - ffpip 6y ago
    Yes, but signal has another layer of encryption. Even if the server is compromised or TLS is broken, singal chats shouldn't leak.
SpaceRaccoon 6y ago
> Their protocol is not encrypted by default, which is an odd choice. That's because end-to-end encrypted chats are only available on a single device, since the e2e keys are not shared between devices. Most users switch between devices and like to have everything stored in the cloud, so having that as the default is the obvious convenience. Anybody who is concerned about e2e can easily start a secret chat for that purposes, at the expense of cloud functionality.