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I am well aware that with the state of the world and the winter’s short days are clearly affecting my reactions to these thoughts. I know that and am taking ste
by anonymouse71 6y ago
I am well aware that with the state of the world and the winter’s short days are clearly affecting my reactions to these thoughts. I know that and am taking steps to try to fix my brain chemistry. I have an appointment with my primary care coming up where I plan to discuss changes to my medications that might help make me not panic. But ultimately I am not after simply being calm as I get older and closer to death. The idea that I can just pop some pills and be less afraid of the only thing I as a consciousness should be afraid of is the opposite of comforting. Nevertheless, I realize the first step is to get my head on straight and emotions in check.
Things I have tried to at least slow down the panic:
Talked to my therapist. Her advice was to try to distract myself until coping mechanisms come back and help me protect myself from whatever is triggering me. All true but doesn’t change the fundamental facts. I don’t want to think of this stuff with more clinical detachment. I want to think of it with hope bordering on certainty.
Tried various anti-anxiety medications. This helps temporarily but same as above: doesn’t change fundamental facts. As I said above, going to try to adjust them again with my doctor to try to dial them in better for short term comfort.
Tried distractions like talking to friends and family. This is a mixed bag. When I look at my children I see the intrusive thoughts flash across my mind about their mortality and how I am powerless to change it. With friends it can often take my mind off things for a bit but they aren’t sitting by my bedside telling me distracting stories as I fall asleep the way my mother did when I was 4.
Talking to my partner. They are not nearly as afraid of death and think of it as very much a part of life. They are supportive but I think me explaining my reasons for being suddenly terrified like this take a lot out of them and I don’t want to make this their problem. When I need concrete things they are 100% there but I don’t want to offload this problem on them as they will take it on and if they can’t succeed will likely fall into the same situation while trying.
In distant past I have flirted with spiritualism and religion. My rational mind cannot accept a system that requires blind belief or that has some obvious logical flaws. And besides if I really am just getting a short 60-90 years to exist I don’t want to spend them worshipping something, be it a bearded man in the sky or some eternal light.
Briefly looked into brain upload/brain replacement. This brought me 48 hours of comfort. Some people believe the singularity is coming and that as early as 2045 we might have brain upload technology. This was almost what I want to latch onto as my mental life boat, but in the end these predictions sound a lot like predictions in the 1970s about cold fusion and AI: off by decades or centuries. Besides, who is to say that it would actually work correctly and not just create another copy that thinks it is me but I am not the one seeing through my optic nerves, so to speak. Or that if it’s available that it would be available to me? Or that it would allow me to be even a little bit human afterwards and not some beige box in my grand kids’ basement server rack?
Think about if there is anything I can do. I am not an unintelligent person; is there something I can contribute? Or do I really want to devote my life to pursuing something that five centuries from now will be a footnote in some college textbook? Or do I pursue things like status and monetary gain to be able to buy my and my family’s way into whatever brain upload type solution we as a species might find? Or do I accumulate wealth and invest it into this kind of research? Or medical life extension for myself and my loved ones until such time that a-mortality (if not immortality) is an option.
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I am asking this on HN because this to me is the most accessible community of people who are very smart and a lot are much smarter and more educated than me. It’s like I am hoping to get into a debate with someone where I argue about why death is inevitable, and then lose handily to someone who can show me why I should have hope because concrete solutions are coming. Solutions that aren’t religious or other forms of make-belief, overly-sentimental in the vein of people living on in others’ hearts, or unrealistic from a physics standpoint, or would only be available to the ultra rich/powerful/people deemed worthy. Any help or advice is appreciated. Any questions, happy to answer.
P.S.: I am sorry if this triggers anyone else. This isn’t a good time of year or a good year for this.
P.P.S.: say we manage to upload brains into new bodies with preserving the self and make the process perfect (no accidents at the body factory, no power outages during the procedure), AND solve the resource/environment problem of humans never dying, and manage long distance space travel. Won’t heat death of the universe be our final stop anyways? Or do we get to break out and keep going? What good is it to live a trillion trillion years just to freeze to death while starving?
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- mathgenius 6y ago> cannot accept a system that requires blind belief or that has some obvious logical flaws. There's a lot of religions out there. Many of them are bunk, and many are not much better than the local chess club. But there are some potent practices out there, it's not all about "blind belief". This crisis you describe is precisely the "religious" impulse (or whatever you want to call it). For some people they end up climbing mountains and that does it for them. It's all the same impulse, is what I am trying to say. And you don't have to believe in some kind of santa clause god to get the juice. Good luck!
- anonymouse71 6y agoThanks. I sampled a good number of religions and spirituality. I know for a fact I can train my brain to believe that I have an invisible soul that will live on. Or only if I die in battle. Or only if I wear a cross that has been blessed by the Pope. Or only if I smoke the right sacred herbs. Or only if body is preserved a certain way. But I am afraid of self delusion, which is ultimately why I feel like religion is a bit of a cop out.
- qlk1123 6y agoBeen there. It may sound weird but I do think Agnosticism or at least similar thoughts help on fear towards death. Occam's Razor is for better theories and models, but not for actual truth and the essence of existence. Accepting agnosticism-like thinking means that you don't have to worry about the existence of God or after life anymore, because you just have no way to confirm the truth. So now life will be more like a game. The fact that you don't know if the judge is there indicates that you are somewhat freed from any known rules (I don't recommend you breaking any social rules or laws though). It is you and only you can decide what direction to go. Therefore death, well, any game always ends no matter what it is. A never-ending game will probably end in some unexpected and unwilling ways. If there is no natural death anymore, then everyone can only die by accident. Other answer mentions reverse aging techniques which I feel quite skeptical of because I don't think you would want to live on a planet where inter-planet transportation is not ready but nobody dies anymore. Regarding the cloud solution, Gmail outage can happen, why will Gbrain never be? Says 500 hundred years later no physical person can claim your brain are still in use online, why don't they remove you from the database silently? Too many uncertainties there. Dalai Lama once said, to find joyfulness is to take care of others and be empathy about others' pain. Such imagination helps you to realize that there are painful things and miseries happening and they are far more worse than death. Anyway, devote yourself to something you passionate about, keep seeking mortality and don't blame yourself for it. You either succeed and last to the end of all the universes, or you do something meaningful to people and die like all others. Both are good.