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Just a feedback - As a developer, you are only encouraging Apple to gauge more money from developers like you by selling on App store, instead of boycotting it.

Just a feedback - As a developer, you are only encouraging Apple to gauge more money from developers like you by selling on App store, instead of boycotting it. Don't add value to the app store by making your app available on it. I never buy anything from the App Store. I prefer to buy directly from the seller. If you are selling exclusively only through the Apple app store, you are not only going to lose customers but also sabotaging yourself. It's incredibly shortsighted. I don't know why anyone even bothers with the app store on the macOS (or other platforms). We have been doing fine without it on the desktop for decades now, and suddenly every developer is supposed to drink the kool-aid that PAYING corporates for the privilege of adding value to that platform by developing and distributing your wares on that platform is supposed to be a GREAT thing?

EricE 6y ago
The Mac App store is convenient. People pay for convenience all the time. Apple thrives on convenience - the overall experience. You also completely disregarded the point he made that for him the value Apple brings now that they have discounted their fee to 15% for small developers far outweighs the 15% they charge. Paying for convenience. It's the key to their success and also the thing that many geeks seem to discount the most (just like you completely glossed over); hence the continual geek mystification of how Apple can be so successful. I sincerely doubt he's going to loose that many sales by being Mac app store exclusive. These days for the vast majority of apps I'm interested in I'm more than willing to buy them from the Mac App store. The only time I avoid the app store is if the sandboxing restrictions limit the app I want in some way; and there are very few apps that fall into that category - mostly utility or audio apps. So I buy them outside the store - which is a PITA to track all the relevant bits (payments, updates, keys, etc.). 1Password helps significantly with the license/payment tracking and thankfully more Mac developers are adding 1 click import of all your license details into password managers like 1Password - but it's still more stuff to track that you don't have to do when using the app store.
- webmobdev 6y ago
  > You also completely disregarded the point he made that for him the value Apple brings now that they have discounted their fee to 15% for small developers far outweighs the 15% they charge. I pointed out that this is extremely short-sighted for developers. App Store on macOS doesn't have the kind of stranglehold it does on macOS like the ios platform. The more App store gains control, and the more developers are forced to distribute their apps on the platform, the more you give leverage to Apple to extort more money out of you. All the current lawsuits against the app store are indicative of this. We developers would be fools to ignore that.
saagarjha 6y ago
No, this is fine–in fact, it's how the system is supposed to work. Apple provides their solution, but it's macOS–you can just say "no" and do your own thing. The situation on iOS is broken.
- webmobdev 6y ago
  > Apple provides their solution, but it's macOS–you can just say "no" and do your own thing. For how long? Apple has already crippled application firewalls on macOS Big Sur to allow Apple authorised softwares to bypass them (and even VPN), even if the user explicitly chooses to block them. That's another move to make it a closed system like ios, where the user no longer has control over what apps can or cannot access the internet and Apple decides it for them. Does that seem like the old Mac platform to you?
  - Wowfunhappy 6y ago
    I can’t see the future, but from where I sit, people have been saying this for more than a decade and it hasn’t happened. The day SIP can’t be disabled we’ll know things are changing, but until then the machines are only as locked down as you want them to be.

EricE 6y ago

The Mac App store is convenient. People pay for convenience all the time. Apple thrives on convenience - the overall experience. You also completely disregarded the point he made that for him the value Apple brings now that they have discounted their fee to 15% for small developers far outweighs the 15% they charge. Paying for convenience. It's the key to their success and also the thing that many geeks seem to discount the most (just like you completely glossed over); hence the continual geek mystification of how Apple can be so successful. I sincerely doubt he's going to loose that many sales by being Mac app store exclusive. These days for the vast majority of apps I'm interested in I'm more than willing to buy them from the Mac App store. The only time I avoid the app store is if the sandboxing restrictions limit the app I want in some way; and there are very few apps that fall into that category - mostly utility or audio apps. So I buy them outside the store - which is a PITA to track all the relevant bits (payments, updates, keys, etc.). 1Password helps significantly with the license/payment tracking and thankfully more Mac developers are adding 1 click import of all your license details into password managers like 1Password - but it's still more stuff to track that you don't have to do when using the app store.

webmobdev 6y ago
> You also completely disregarded the point he made that for him the value Apple brings now that they have discounted their fee to 15% for small developers far outweighs the 15% they charge. I pointed out that this is extremely short-sighted for developers. App Store on macOS doesn't have the kind of stranglehold it does on macOS like the ios platform. The more App store gains control, and the more developers are forced to distribute their apps on the platform, the more you give leverage to Apple to extort more money out of you. All the current lawsuits against the app store are indicative of this. We developers would be fools to ignore that.

saagarjha 6y ago

No, this is fine–in fact, it's how the system is supposed to work. Apple provides their solution, but it's macOS–you can just say "no" and do your own thing. The situation on iOS is broken.

webmobdev 6y ago
> Apple provides their solution, but it's macOS–you can just say "no" and do your own thing. For how long? Apple has already crippled application firewalls on macOS Big Sur to allow Apple authorised softwares to bypass them (and even VPN), even if the user explicitly chooses to block them. That's another move to make it a closed system like ios, where the user no longer has control over what apps can or cannot access the internet and Apple decides it for them. Does that seem like the old Mac platform to you?
- Wowfunhappy 6y ago
  I can’t see the future, but from where I sit, people have been saying this for more than a decade and it hasn’t happened. The day SIP can’t be disabled we’ll know things are changing, but until then the machines are only as locked down as you want them to be.