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Ads are never, ever reasonable. Never let other companies brain hack your users. It's unethical and an awful UX. No one is ever pleased to see an ad. It's not

Ads are never, ever reasonable. Never let other companies brain hack your users. It's unethical and an awful UX. No one is ever pleased to see an ad. It's not like we can't do instant messaging without ads. I have used IRC every day for the past 15 years. Not every project needs a business model to work and not every approach is justified because the business needs it.

toast0 6y ago
> No one is ever pleased to see an ad. People watching the US Professional Football Championships primarily to see the ads and watching movie trailers voluntarily (which are ads) seem to disprove your suggestion. Messaging has costs, especially if it includes proxying media, or verifying control of phone numbers. If the costs aren't too big, it's find not to have a business model, but if the costs are large, a business model enables longevity.
- OJFord 6y ago
  Watching film trailers is like watching possibly sponsored product 'reviews' or 'unboxings'. Sure, it's an advertisement for the product, but it's a deliberate choice to see its sales pitch, to see if you're interested. That's different to me than unsolicited advertising.
jakear 6y ago
I’m pleased to see ads that show me well designed products that solve problems I’ve been experiencing, especially if I don’t know I’ve been experiencing them. For instance, Instagram’s targeting has realized that I like outdoorsy products, and even though I don’t buy the products, sometimes they inspire me to find a way to recreate the item myself. In my opinion your POV is very dismissive of all the good work product design foundries the world over have been doing.
- nvrspyx 6y ago
  You could just look up "outdoorsy" products. Why should everyone else have to suffer through ads and give up privacy just because a handful of people like them? The whole advertising industry is now predicated on gaming people's attention, wants, and financial vulnerabilities. I also don't see how not wanting to see ads is dismissive of product design foundries. Just because you've designed a good product does not mean you're entitled to my attention or my time.
  - jakear 6y ago
    You don’t have to suffer though them! All you have to do is not use the app or provide the developer some other means of compensation. Why should all users have to pay out their cold hard cash to use a service just because a handful of people don’t like ads? And the whole point is they show me things I don’t know I wanted, so a search doesn’t solve the problem — I’d only search if I knew I wanted something.
Thorncorona 6y ago
What is your point? Users are offered a free and paid version. Someone will always have to foot the bill, and telegram has been doing so for free for the last 8 years.

toast0 6y ago

> No one is ever pleased to see an ad. People watching the US Professional Football Championships primarily to see the ads and watching movie trailers voluntarily (which are ads) seem to disprove your suggestion. Messaging has costs, especially if it includes proxying media, or verifying control of phone numbers. If the costs aren't too big, it's find not to have a business model, but if the costs are large, a business model enables longevity.

OJFord 6y ago
Watching film trailers is like watching possibly sponsored product 'reviews' or 'unboxings'. Sure, it's an advertisement for the product, but it's a deliberate choice to see its sales pitch, to see if you're interested. That's different to me than unsolicited advertising.

jakear 6y ago

I’m pleased to see ads that show me well designed products that solve problems I’ve been experiencing, especially if I don’t know I’ve been experiencing them. For instance, Instagram’s targeting has realized that I like outdoorsy products, and even though I don’t buy the products, sometimes they inspire me to find a way to recreate the item myself. In my opinion your POV is very dismissive of all the good work product design foundries the world over have been doing.

nvrspyx 6y ago
You could just look up "outdoorsy" products. Why should everyone else have to suffer through ads and give up privacy just because a handful of people like them? The whole advertising industry is now predicated on gaming people's attention, wants, and financial vulnerabilities. I also don't see how not wanting to see ads is dismissive of product design foundries. Just because you've designed a good product does not mean you're entitled to my attention or my time.
- jakear 6y ago
  You don’t have to suffer though them! All you have to do is not use the app or provide the developer some other means of compensation. Why should all users have to pay out their cold hard cash to use a service just because a handful of people don’t like ads? And the whole point is they show me things I don’t know I wanted, so a search doesn’t solve the problem — I’d only search if I knew I wanted something.

Thorncorona 6y ago

What is your point? Users are offered a free and paid version. Someone will always have to foot the bill, and telegram has been doing so for free for the last 8 years.