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I may be wrong but I don't believe Microsoft even has a dedicated Windows division any more.

radicaldreamer 6y ago
Well that and they got rid of their QA and test engineers so nothing is caught before it's sent out... you just can't rely on free beta testers for everything.
- jodrellblank 6y ago
  > You just can't rely on free beta testers for everything. Linux distros seem to manage pretty well...? Or is this "it's only bad if Microsoft do it"?
  - 9HZZRfNlpR 6y ago
    If I'm paying for it, which I do hell no. O also use Linux but I don't ost for it, and it's hobbyist / power user os and I can actually fix things there unlike windows.
  - ehvatum 6y ago
    That’s an interesting point. Which for-profit Linux distro is using you as an unpaid beta tester for their closed-source code?
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  - gralx 6y ago
    Fair point. But 90% of Linux submissions are corporate, last I checked. Corporations (usually) do a lot of internal testing before submitting, and then maintainers have to review submissions. This is long before the public ("beta testers") has to deal with any bugs. And that's only the kernel. Distributions and their package maintainers have their own quality controls, as do cross-distribution upstream developers. Public bug trackers (beta testers) are a complement to these. The division of labour in quality control of Linux systems is fine, diverse, and of variable effectiveness before beta testers come into the picture.
  - _jal 6y ago
    We pay RH rather a lot of money for the excellent testing and integration they do. (And alt-tab works, if you want it to.) Or if you're trying to limit this to individual use, I'll grant you equivalence once Microsoft stops charging their beta testers and offers them the source.
    - fomine3 6y ago
      Fedora and CentOS Stream is RHEL's upstream so it can be said as "beta test" from RHEL's perspective. (gamma?)
      - rbanffy 6y ago
        They all do upstream integration tests because nobody sane likes being caught by surprise. Even I do it and I work for a company orders of magnitude smaller

Well that and they got rid of their QA and test engineers so nothing is caught before it's sent out... you just can't rely on free beta testers for everything.

jodrellblank 6y ago
> You just can't rely on free beta testers for everything. Linux distros seem to manage pretty well...? Or is this "it's only bad if Microsoft do it"?
- 9HZZRfNlpR 6y ago
  If I'm paying for it, which I do hell no. O also use Linux but I don't ost for it, and it's hobbyist / power user os and I can actually fix things there unlike windows.
- ehvatum 6y ago
  That’s an interesting point. Which for-profit Linux distro is using you as an unpaid beta tester for their closed-source code?
  - deleted 6y ago
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- gralx 6y ago
  Fair point. But 90% of Linux submissions are corporate, last I checked. Corporations (usually) do a lot of internal testing before submitting, and then maintainers have to review submissions. This is long before the public ("beta testers") has to deal with any bugs. And that's only the kernel. Distributions and their package maintainers have their own quality controls, as do cross-distribution upstream developers. Public bug trackers (beta testers) are a complement to these. The division of labour in quality control of Linux systems is fine, diverse, and of variable effectiveness before beta testers come into the picture.
- _jal 6y ago
  We pay RH rather a lot of money for the excellent testing and integration they do. (And alt-tab works, if you want it to.) Or if you're trying to limit this to individual use, I'll grant you equivalence once Microsoft stops charging their beta testers and offers them the source.
  - fomine3 6y ago
    Fedora and CentOS Stream is RHEL's upstream so it can be said as "beta test" from RHEL's perspective. (gamma?)
    - rbanffy 6y ago
      They all do upstream integration tests because nobody sane likes being caught by surprise. Even I do it and I work for a company orders of magnitude smaller