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It's the equivalent of the Valley Forge Rocket. An arduous trial in the birth of a young nation which incidentally happened to go on and genocide an entire cont
by magicsmoke 6y ago
It's the equivalent of the Valley Forge Rocket. An arduous trial in the birth of a young nation which incidentally happened to go on and genocide an entire continent of indigenous cultures and people's and forever remove them from the world's collective heritage.
Just let people decide what parts of their own history they want to have pride in, especially if it doesn't affect you. Don't try and control the world and force everyone to think the same as you do.
- tomcam 6y agoYou are historically illiterate if you confuse America’s misdeeds with those of Maoist china. Our history with Native Americans is not a morally uplifting one. It is also not a genocide. Given your apparent ignorance you may be surprised to know that of the hundreds of native American tribes, the vast majority were warlike and raped, enslaved, and pillaged their enemies. That’s how war works. For example, I live in Seattle. Do you know who owned slaves? Chief Seattle. Also... I would like you to explain why you think I am trying to control the world by pointing out a historical fact? I assume by providing ahistorical facts yourself you are also trying to control the world? Finally, I am exceptionally interested in how you know this didn’t affect me. It affected my immediate family, from brutal enslavement to torture and death. I don’t see how that matters, though. Am I to understand that one is only allowed to criticize things in which one has a personal stake? If that’s the case perhaps you should rethink telling me how to live my life, and what I’m trying to do. P.S. Valley Forge Rocket is a super great name, BTW
- dividedbyzero 6y ago> Our history with Native Americans is not a morally uplifting one. It is also not a genocide. What a weird thing to say. Of course it was a genocide, that some tribes may have been slavers or that a meager remainder of their people and culture somehow survives in reservations doesn't make what Europeans and the early US did to their people and culture any less terrible, or not a genocide.
- djbebs 6y agoGenocide denial in hackernews?
- tomcam 6y agoHistory denial in hackernews?
- bigpumpkin 6y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_genocide https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_genocide
- tomcam 6y agoThis is true! But we don’t celebrate it or proudly name rockets after it
- tomcam 6y agoWait a minute, now I am kind of fascinated by your thinking. Am I to assume that if an Austrian member of hacker news were in fact proud of the Third Reich that you would refuse to criticize their decision to support calling something the Hitler rocket? In your words, after all, people should decide what parts of their own history they want to have pride in.