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Google is a for profit corporation, not a college campus, news at 11.

dmingod666 6y ago
People will act like this is up for debate.
square_usual 6y ago
Everybody knows that. You can think it's a bad thing for a private company to do bad things, even if they're free to. Stating a fact isn't an argument.
- izacus 6y ago
  I think the comment flies more in the wierd way Google is treated by the media when other corpos aren't. E.g. noone is batting an eye when Apple chooses cherry-picked based datapoints for their performance comparisons or when Stanfords research department spins a paper to get them more funding. For Google we keep getting this streams of "Google is acting like any other corporation, OH GODS". It's... wierd.
  - SamoyedFurFluff 6y ago
    I dont know if a case where Apple hired ethicists and then fired them for their research? Admittedly apple also doses all their employees with NDAs up the wazoo so we simply can’t know these things.
unishark 6y ago
All I'm asking for is the freedom of tenure combined with the pay and equity of industry.
- bonoboTP 6y ago
  The top dogs have both, with multiple affiliations.
asddubs 6y ago
therefore we're supposed to ignore their transgressions, since they're to be expected?
- throw_m239339 6y ago
  Getting a job at Google and expecting academic freedom is certainly a pipe dream.
  - asddubs 6y ago
    Yes, I agree it's not surprising that this happened. Doesn't mean we should stop paying attention or caring.
blackbrokkoli 6y ago
Yes, and that is ok. But then nobody should call whatever they are publishing "paper". Because if you "research" with a PR-directive, it is literally not science. If they want to "research" like a corporation, kick them out of Google Scholar and scientific discourse, right now, please.
Footkerchief 6y ago
Propaganda disguised as research has historically been a source of immense harm to the public good, and identifying it is a crucial step to reversing that harm.

People will act like this is up for debate.

Everybody knows that. You can think it's a bad thing for a private company to do bad things, even if they're free to. Stating a fact isn't an argument.

izacus 6y ago
I think the comment flies more in the wierd way Google is treated by the media when other corpos aren't. E.g. noone is batting an eye when Apple chooses cherry-picked based datapoints for their performance comparisons or when Stanfords research department spins a paper to get them more funding. For Google we keep getting this streams of "Google is acting like any other corporation, OH GODS". It's... wierd.
- SamoyedFurFluff 6y ago
  I dont know if a case where Apple hired ethicists and then fired them for their research? Admittedly apple also doses all their employees with NDAs up the wazoo so we simply can’t know these things.

unishark 6y ago

All I'm asking for is the freedom of tenure combined with the pay and equity of industry.

bonoboTP 6y ago
The top dogs have both, with multiple affiliations.

asddubs 6y ago

therefore we're supposed to ignore their transgressions, since they're to be expected?

throw_m239339 6y ago
Getting a job at Google and expecting academic freedom is certainly a pipe dream.
- asddubs 6y ago
  Yes, I agree it's not surprising that this happened. Doesn't mean we should stop paying attention or caring.

blackbrokkoli 6y ago

Yes, and that is ok. But then nobody should call whatever they are publishing "paper". Because if you "research" with a PR-directive, it is literally not science. If they want to "research" like a corporation, kick them out of Google Scholar and scientific discourse, right now, please.

Footkerchief 6y ago

Propaganda disguised as research has historically been a source of immense harm to the public good, and identifying it is a crucial step to reversing that harm.