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The complete lack of any mention in the article of the long-running F-Droid fork effort is a bit disturbing if I'm honest. If the author had already reached ou

The complete lack of any mention in the article of the long-running F-Droid fork effort is a bit disturbing if I'm honest. If the author had already reached out to @axet to offer to help / become a maintainer I'd imagine it would've been mentioned up top. I'm all for people creating multiple divergent open-source forks of things (diversity is great) but this doesn't seem to be divergent at all. The stated intent is to repeat @axet's work exactly...

CGamesPlay 6y ago
Does the F-Droid fork have an app store version? Author did say they used an iPhone.
- izacus 6y ago
  Since F-Droid is an Android store, it most likely doesn't even exist for iOS. But that's kinda the price you pay there.
- lucideer 6y ago
  Given the cost & overhead of distributing via Apple, I can't imagine there'd be much incentive for this.
  - mosselman 6y ago
    Could you expand on this please? What costs apart from the $100 or so dev license?
    - AnyTimeTraveler 6y ago
      As far as I know, you actually need a Mac or other Apple computer to push something to the Appstore and even then it's not a fun process. This knowledge is second hand from a friend of mine, whom I had the pleasure of listening to when he was ranting about the process a few years ago. Maybe things have changed since then..?
      - moritzwolf 6y ago
        I did not experience any inconvenience with putting apps into the iOS AppStore. Rather, I found the process quite easy and my apps got approved faster than expected (within one day).
        kelnage 6y ago
        Did you already have a Mac? Because that seems like a significant part of the process if it is stil necessary.
    - lucideer 6y ago
      $100 is not insignificant. On top of that there's the cost of Apple hardware; you can get away with not having an iPhone and using xcode's emulation for many cases but with custom graphics heavy things like omim had, this approach would be limiting. And you still need a Mac either way. And all this is to create an app that's competing directly with an almost identical app on the same store with only marginal benefits (the Android one in contrast has the benefit of being available outside the Google ecosystem, as well as having some exclusivity within F-Droid itself). It would be a not insurmountable but still significant extra amount of maintenance effort. Given the maintenance effort was already seemingly unmanageable supporting Android alone it's understandable.
      - mrmonkeyman 6y ago
        It is insignificant.
- matoro 6y ago
  No, and they won't because it's against Apple's terms of service to license your app as GPL.
  - cxr 6y ago
    Even if this were true, it's irrelevant since Maps.me isn't GPL software to begin with.
    - matoro 6y ago
      It is true, take it from the FSF themselves [0]. Or the VLC devs [1]. However, you're right that Maps.me is not GPL; I misread the question as asking about F-Droid itself which is GPL. [0]: https://www.fsf.org/blogs/licensing/more-about-the-app-store-gpl-enforcement https://www.fsf.org/blogs/licensing/more-about-the-app-store... [1]: https://www.zdnet.com/article/no-gpl-apps-for-apples-app-store/ https://www.zdnet.com/article/no-gpl-apps-for-apples-app-sto...
      - cxr 6y ago
        The way that this comment implies a carelessness about the way I operate is more than a little annoying, especially in light of the clear-cut carelessness of your original comment. > take it from the FSF themselves Is that supposed to be a trump card? I've read that FSF document. I read it when it was published in 2010, and because I'm not careless I read it again this morning before and after I posted my comment. I've also looked at it more than once in the intervening years. > Or the VLC devs VLC is on the App Store right now. The FSF post was true in 2010, but unlike GPLv2, v3, etc, the Apple terms are not static documents. They've been revised multiple times in the last 10 years, and the FSF post hasn't been updated. The last time I spent an afternoon doing an analysis, I found that the terms at the time didn't conflict with GPL. At this point, if a person is going to claim that there's a conflict, the onus is on them to show that it's true—just like the FSF did at the time they published that blog post. It doesn't suffice to show that it was true in 2010. But again none of this matters here, because Maps.me isn't GPL software, so this entire diversion has been a waste of time.
piaste 6y ago
I̶t̶ ̶l̶o̶o̶k̶s̶ ̶l̶i̶k̶e̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶F̶-̶D̶r̶o̶i̶d̶ ̶f̶o̶r̶k̶ ̶w̶a̶s̶ ̶l̶a̶s̶t̶ ̶u̶p̶d̶a̶t̶e̶d̶ ̶f̶i̶v̶e̶ ̶y̶e̶a̶r̶s̶ ̶a̶g̶o̶,̶ ̶a̶n̶d̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶'̶w̶e̶b̶s̶i̶t̶e̶'̶ ̶l̶i̶n̶k̶ ̶j̶u̶s̶t̶ ̶p̶o̶i̶n̶t̶s̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶m̶a̶p̶s̶.̶m̶e̶,̶ ̶r̶a̶t̶h̶e̶r̶ ̶t̶h̶a̶n̶ ̶a̶ ̶p̶u̶b̶l̶i̶c̶ ̶r̶e̶p̶o̶s̶i̶t̶o̶r̶y̶ ̶o̶r̶ ̶a̶n̶y̶t̶h̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶s̶p̶e̶c̶i̶f̶i̶c̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶f̶o̶r̶k̶. ̶G̶i̶v̶e̶n̶ ̶t̶h̶a̶t̶,̶ ̶I̶ ̶c̶a̶n̶ ̶s̶e̶e̶ ̶w̶h̶y̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶a̶u̶t̶h̶o̶r̶ ̶w̶o̶u̶l̶d̶ ̶c̶o̶n̶s̶i̶d̶e̶r̶ ̶i̶t̶ ̶a̶ ̶d̶e̶a̶d̶/̶a̶b̶a̶n̶d̶o̶n̶e̶d̶ ̶p̶r̶o̶j̶e̶c̶t̶,̶ ̶a̶n̶d̶ ̶s̶e̶e̶ ̶n̶o̶ ̶r̶e̶a̶s̶o̶n̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶p̶i̶c̶k̶ ̶i̶t̶ ̶u̶p̶ ̶i̶n̶s̶t̶e̶a̶d̶ ̶o̶f̶ ̶s̶t̶a̶r̶t̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶f̶r̶o̶m̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶m̶o̶s̶t̶ ̶r̶e̶c̶e̶n̶t̶ ̶M̶a̶p̶s̶.̶m̶e̶ ̶p̶u̶b̶l̶i̶c̶ ̶r̶e̶l̶e̶a̶s̶e̶.̶ EDIT: Disregard, I was confusing the actual F-Droid fork with an older re-upload on the same store. The former is called "Maps" while the re-upload is "Maps.me".
- Youden 6y ago
  Maybe you're looking at the wrong place? > It looks like the F-Droid fork was last updated five years ago The latest release is August 2020 [0] and the latest update to the repo happened at the same time [1]. > and the 'website' link just points to maps.me, rather than a public repository or anything specific to the fork. There's a "Source Code" link [0] which points to the Gitlab repo [1]. I don't even see a "website" link. [0]: https://f-droid.org/en/packages/com.github.axet.maps/ https://f-droid.org/en/packages/com.github.axet.maps/ [1]: https://gitlab.com/axet/omim/tree/HEAD https://gitlab.com/axet/omim/tree/HEAD
  - piaste 6y ago
    > Maybe you're looking at the wrong place? I was, thanks! There's a "Maps.me" app on F-Droid that's the one I described (presumably the same APK as the Play Store?). Whereas the fork you guys are talking about is just "Maps". Editing my comment.
  - deleted 6y ago
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- lucideer 6y ago
  Not sure what you're looking at, the last commit to the fork is August 2020. The author of that fork has also been actively engaged with the maps.me devs throughout its development, you can see a lot of these discussions in the issues on the original github mapsme omim project.
frankfrankfrank 6y ago
Diversity is mit actually great in and of itself by any objective measure. The Linux community that can’t get linked to be even close to a consumer level maturity is diversity, Apple’s Mac OS shows us what focus, consistency, unity, coordination, and in-group abstraction of generalizations produces … a far superior system, regardless of whether it is or is not overtaken later on by the diversity that will destroy it. Ironically, to some degree, Microsoft has been moving to far less diversity as it continues closing itself down and consolidating and integrating services closer. Any reasonable, objective, and scientific person knows exactly that diversity is not even actually what people think diversity it, it’s actually distraction, disunity, disharmony, pollution, inefficiency. Now, diversification is another thing altogether that is a risk hedge that makes sense and produces well established risk benefits, but diversity is actually immensely risky. Diversity is white literally irrational inclusion of immense long term risks. Just like adding a civilian to your military squad during war will only likely get everyone else also killed due to their incompatible diversity, so too will diversity destroy all other organizations and systems. It is quite literally the objective of diversity, to destroy, whether those engaged in diversity realize that is the objective of those advocating for it or not. The ugly effects of diversity are even starting to really show their ugly impact in the USA now as the country that produced everything that we all have and use, including everything associated with this site and organization are starting to dissolve among the predicted strains that disunity from diversity introduces. And that was the objective of those who pushed the diversity narrative in roughly the 60s, a concepts that the “capitalist” types latched onto, because if meant being able to continue and extend their extraction of wealth and resources a bit longer as the lone was running out. It seems like we are possibly barreling through the last station before there is no more track on this diversity crazy train. We’ll see what happens when we run off the rails.
hoschicz 6y ago
I should have mentioned it. There's now a mention at the end of the post: I'm aware that one fork already exists, but it hasn't seen any updates for a year and the app doesn't seem to work at this time. The plan is to eventually integrate axel's work back into the app.
- Youden 6y ago
  It was updated 4 months ago, it's actively maintained and I use it frequently. Someone else was looking at the wrong listing and you may have done the same thing. The correct listing is simply called "Maps" F-Droid: https://f-droid.org/en/packages/com.github.axet.maps/ https://f-droid.org/en/packages/com.github.axet.maps/ Gitlab: https://gitlab.com/axet/omim/tree/HEAD https://gitlab.com/axet/omim/tree/HEAD
- feb 6y ago
  When looking at the commit history on github of axet project, the most recent commit is only 4 months old. That comment about it not seeing updates since years looks wrong.

CGamesPlay 6y ago

Does the F-Droid fork have an app store version? Author did say they used an iPhone.

izacus 6y ago
Since F-Droid is an Android store, it most likely doesn't even exist for iOS. But that's kinda the price you pay there.
lucideer 6y ago
Given the cost & overhead of distributing via Apple, I can't imagine there'd be much incentive for this.
- mosselman 6y ago
  Could you expand on this please? What costs apart from the $100 or so dev license?
  - AnyTimeTraveler 6y ago
    As far as I know, you actually need a Mac or other Apple computer to push something to the Appstore and even then it's not a fun process. This knowledge is second hand from a friend of mine, whom I had the pleasure of listening to when he was ranting about the process a few years ago. Maybe things have changed since then..?
    - moritzwolf 6y ago
      I did not experience any inconvenience with putting apps into the iOS AppStore. Rather, I found the process quite easy and my apps got approved faster than expected (within one day).
      - kelnage 6y ago
        Did you already have a Mac? Because that seems like a significant part of the process if it is stil necessary.
  - lucideer 6y ago
    $100 is not insignificant. On top of that there's the cost of Apple hardware; you can get away with not having an iPhone and using xcode's emulation for many cases but with custom graphics heavy things like omim had, this approach would be limiting. And you still need a Mac either way. And all this is to create an app that's competing directly with an almost identical app on the same store with only marginal benefits (the Android one in contrast has the benefit of being available outside the Google ecosystem, as well as having some exclusivity within F-Droid itself). It would be a not insurmountable but still significant extra amount of maintenance effort. Given the maintenance effort was already seemingly unmanageable supporting Android alone it's understandable.
    - mrmonkeyman 6y ago
      It is insignificant.
matoro 6y ago
No, and they won't because it's against Apple's terms of service to license your app as GPL.
- cxr 6y ago
  Even if this were true, it's irrelevant since Maps.me isn't GPL software to begin with.
  - matoro 6y ago
    It is true, take it from the FSF themselves [0]. Or the VLC devs [1]. However, you're right that Maps.me is not GPL; I misread the question as asking about F-Droid itself which is GPL. [0]: https://www.fsf.org/blogs/licensing/more-about-the-app-store-gpl-enforcement https://www.fsf.org/blogs/licensing/more-about-the-app-store... [1]: https://www.zdnet.com/article/no-gpl-apps-for-apples-app-store/ https://www.zdnet.com/article/no-gpl-apps-for-apples-app-sto...
    - cxr 6y ago
      The way that this comment implies a carelessness about the way I operate is more than a little annoying, especially in light of the clear-cut carelessness of your original comment. > take it from the FSF themselves Is that supposed to be a trump card? I've read that FSF document. I read it when it was published in 2010, and because I'm not careless I read it again this morning before and after I posted my comment. I've also looked at it more than once in the intervening years. > Or the VLC devs VLC is on the App Store right now. The FSF post was true in 2010, but unlike GPLv2, v3, etc, the Apple terms are not static documents. They've been revised multiple times in the last 10 years, and the FSF post hasn't been updated. The last time I spent an afternoon doing an analysis, I found that the terms at the time didn't conflict with GPL. At this point, if a person is going to claim that there's a conflict, the onus is on them to show that it's true—just like the FSF did at the time they published that blog post. It doesn't suffice to show that it was true in 2010. But again none of this matters here, because Maps.me isn't GPL software, so this entire diversion has been a waste of time.

piaste 6y ago

I̶t̶ ̶l̶o̶o̶k̶s̶ ̶l̶i̶k̶e̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶F̶-̶D̶r̶o̶i̶d̶ ̶f̶o̶r̶k̶ ̶w̶a̶s̶ ̶l̶a̶s̶t̶ ̶u̶p̶d̶a̶t̶e̶d̶ ̶f̶i̶v̶e̶ ̶y̶e̶a̶r̶s̶ ̶a̶g̶o̶,̶ ̶a̶n̶d̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶'̶w̶e̶b̶s̶i̶t̶e̶'̶ ̶l̶i̶n̶k̶ ̶j̶u̶s̶t̶ ̶p̶o̶i̶n̶t̶s̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶m̶a̶p̶s̶.̶m̶e̶,̶ ̶r̶a̶t̶h̶e̶r̶ ̶t̶h̶a̶n̶ ̶a̶ ̶p̶u̶b̶l̶i̶c̶ ̶r̶e̶p̶o̶s̶i̶t̶o̶r̶y̶ ̶o̶r̶ ̶a̶n̶y̶t̶h̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶s̶p̶e̶c̶i̶f̶i̶c̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶f̶o̶r̶k̶. ̶G̶i̶v̶e̶n̶ ̶t̶h̶a̶t̶,̶ ̶I̶ ̶c̶a̶n̶ ̶s̶e̶e̶ ̶w̶h̶y̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶a̶u̶t̶h̶o̶r̶ ̶w̶o̶u̶l̶d̶ ̶c̶o̶n̶s̶i̶d̶e̶r̶ ̶i̶t̶ ̶a̶ ̶d̶e̶a̶d̶/̶a̶b̶a̶n̶d̶o̶n̶e̶d̶ ̶p̶r̶o̶j̶e̶c̶t̶,̶ ̶a̶n̶d̶ ̶s̶e̶e̶ ̶n̶o̶ ̶r̶e̶a̶s̶o̶n̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶p̶i̶c̶k̶ ̶i̶t̶ ̶u̶p̶ ̶i̶n̶s̶t̶e̶a̶d̶ ̶o̶f̶ ̶s̶t̶a̶r̶t̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶f̶r̶o̶m̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶m̶o̶s̶t̶ ̶r̶e̶c̶e̶n̶t̶ ̶M̶a̶p̶s̶.̶m̶e̶ ̶p̶u̶b̶l̶i̶c̶ ̶r̶e̶l̶e̶a̶s̶e̶.̶ EDIT: Disregard, I was confusing the actual F-Droid fork with an older re-upload on the same store. The former is called "Maps" while the re-upload is "Maps.me".

Youden 6y ago
Maybe you're looking at the wrong place? > It looks like the F-Droid fork was last updated five years ago The latest release is August 2020 [0] and the latest update to the repo happened at the same time [1]. > and the 'website' link just points to maps.me, rather than a public repository or anything specific to the fork. There's a "Source Code" link [0] which points to the Gitlab repo [1]. I don't even see a "website" link. [0]: https://f-droid.org/en/packages/com.github.axet.maps/ https://f-droid.org/en/packages/com.github.axet.maps/ [1]: https://gitlab.com/axet/omim/tree/HEAD https://gitlab.com/axet/omim/tree/HEAD
- piaste 6y ago
  > Maybe you're looking at the wrong place? I was, thanks! There's a "Maps.me" app on F-Droid that's the one I described (presumably the same APK as the Play Store?). Whereas the fork you guys are talking about is just "Maps". Editing my comment.
- deleted 6y ago
  [deleted]
lucideer 6y ago
Not sure what you're looking at, the last commit to the fork is August 2020. The author of that fork has also been actively engaged with the maps.me devs throughout its development, you can see a lot of these discussions in the issues on the original github mapsme omim project.

frankfrankfrank 6y ago

Diversity is mit actually great in and of itself by any objective measure. The Linux community that can’t get linked to be even close to a consumer level maturity is diversity, Apple’s Mac OS shows us what focus, consistency, unity, coordination, and in-group abstraction of generalizations produces … a far superior system, regardless of whether it is or is not overtaken later on by the diversity that will destroy it. Ironically, to some degree, Microsoft has been moving to far less diversity as it continues closing itself down and consolidating and integrating services closer. Any reasonable, objective, and scientific person knows exactly that diversity is not even actually what people think diversity it, it’s actually distraction, disunity, disharmony, pollution, inefficiency. Now, diversification is another thing altogether that is a risk hedge that makes sense and produces well established risk benefits, but diversity is actually immensely risky. Diversity is white literally irrational inclusion of immense long term risks. Just like adding a civilian to your military squad during war will only likely get everyone else also killed due to their incompatible diversity, so too will diversity destroy all other organizations and systems. It is quite literally the objective of diversity, to destroy, whether those engaged in diversity realize that is the objective of those advocating for it or not. The ugly effects of diversity are even starting to really show their ugly impact in the USA now as the country that produced everything that we all have and use, including everything associated with this site and organization are starting to dissolve among the predicted strains that disunity from diversity introduces. And that was the objective of those who pushed the diversity narrative in roughly the 60s, a concepts that the “capitalist” types latched onto, because if meant being able to continue and extend their extraction of wealth and resources a bit longer as the lone was running out. It seems like we are possibly barreling through the last station before there is no more track on this diversity crazy train. We’ll see what happens when we run off the rails.

hoschicz 6y ago

I should have mentioned it. There's now a mention at the end of the post: I'm aware that one fork already exists, but it hasn't seen any updates for a year and the app doesn't seem to work at this time. The plan is to eventually integrate axel's work back into the app.

Youden 6y ago
It was updated 4 months ago, it's actively maintained and I use it frequently. Someone else was looking at the wrong listing and you may have done the same thing. The correct listing is simply called "Maps" F-Droid: https://f-droid.org/en/packages/com.github.axet.maps/ https://f-droid.org/en/packages/com.github.axet.maps/ Gitlab: https://gitlab.com/axet/omim/tree/HEAD https://gitlab.com/axet/omim/tree/HEAD
feb 6y ago
When looking at the commit history on github of axet project, the most recent commit is only 4 months old. That comment about it not seeing updates since years looks wrong.