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> hopefully there's growing discontent at this old old old 1Gbit, & also meh 2.5Gbit ethernet Nobody is stopping you from going all in with 40GbE. It can be do

> hopefully there's growing discontent at this old old old 1Gbit, & also meh 2.5Gbit ethernet Nobody is stopping you from going all in with 40GbE. It can be done over twisted pair copper even if you are so inclined, but I prefer QSFP+ modules with fixed twinax cables personally.

rektide 6y ago
it's priced at enterprise prices. my actual hope/expectation is that eventually a lower tier enterprise switches emerge with 25gbit ports, & that becomes low priced enough that producer people start thinking of adopting. there's no point to relying on 10gbit, the total switching aggregate is tiny but prices for the switches are sky high.
- jsjohnst 6y ago
  I’ve picked up used gear on eBay and also from office liquidators and had good success going that route. Yes, you don’t get warranty coverage then, but I typically buy a backup just in case. Yes, you will pay 5x the price per port even used, but you’re also getting nearly 5x the performance too.
  - rektide 6y ago
    I have some infiniband gear I play with. second hand markets are great. but I think there's a corrupt systematic drive against innovation & progress that I've tried to advocate against & speak to in this thread. I think the standards have failed to rise because they have been actively suppressed & kept low. intel embedding dual 80gbps transceivers on their mobile chips (in displayport output) is a tell that this really is just stuckness, intransigency. I can acknowledge that intel is working at much shorter ranges, but all in all, I think host-bus-adapters are way way way overpriced & maintain price simply by the vast quantity of radically inferior products they feed us in the consumer market.
    - jsjohnst 6y ago
      > radically inferior products they feed us in the consumer market I think you need to try to a bit less hyperbolic and stop and apply logic. Out of your own social graph, how many besides yourself would be willing to pay 10-100x the price for consumer home networking than they do now? The reality is, outside a few folks like you and me in the 0.001% of consumers, there just isn’t even a want for 10+ GbE, let alone a need. Heck, probably >50% of consumers just use whatever craptastic all-in-one device their ISP gave them for their home networking. The market is just not worth it, it’s still too niche. I also don’t feel this is a chicken or egg situation either. The applicability of 40GbE networking will likely never be useful for the average consumer unless there’s a radical new technology that hits the market. As such, if you want the gear today, stop considering yourself an average consumer and instead buy gear targeted to the audience who commonly has needs similar to yours.

rektide 6y ago

it's priced at enterprise prices. my actual hope/expectation is that eventually a lower tier enterprise switches emerge with 25gbit ports, & that becomes low priced enough that producer people start thinking of adopting. there's no point to relying on 10gbit, the total switching aggregate is tiny but prices for the switches are sky high.

jsjohnst 6y ago
I’ve picked up used gear on eBay and also from office liquidators and had good success going that route. Yes, you don’t get warranty coverage then, but I typically buy a backup just in case. Yes, you will pay 5x the price per port even used, but you’re also getting nearly 5x the performance too.
- rektide 6y ago
  I have some infiniband gear I play with. second hand markets are great. but I think there's a corrupt systematic drive against innovation & progress that I've tried to advocate against & speak to in this thread. I think the standards have failed to rise because they have been actively suppressed & kept low. intel embedding dual 80gbps transceivers on their mobile chips (in displayport output) is a tell that this really is just stuckness, intransigency. I can acknowledge that intel is working at much shorter ranges, but all in all, I think host-bus-adapters are way way way overpriced & maintain price simply by the vast quantity of radically inferior products they feed us in the consumer market.
  - jsjohnst 6y ago
    > radically inferior products they feed us in the consumer market I think you need to try to a bit less hyperbolic and stop and apply logic. Out of your own social graph, how many besides yourself would be willing to pay 10-100x the price for consumer home networking than they do now? The reality is, outside a few folks like you and me in the 0.001% of consumers, there just isn’t even a want for 10+ GbE, let alone a need. Heck, probably >50% of consumers just use whatever craptastic all-in-one device their ISP gave them for their home networking. The market is just not worth it, it’s still too niche. I also don’t feel this is a chicken or egg situation either. The applicability of 40GbE networking will likely never be useful for the average consumer unless there’s a radical new technology that hits the market. As such, if you want the gear today, stop considering yourself an average consumer and instead buy gear targeted to the audience who commonly has needs similar to yours.