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I take it you're not familiar with Kiczales's work, Art Of The Metaobject Protocol, nor his work on Aspect Oriented Programming. The meta-interface concepts tha
by swannodette 15y ago
I take it you're not familiar with Kiczales's work, Art Of The Metaobject Protocol, nor his work on Aspect Oriented Programming. The meta-interface concepts that are "pervasive" today exist in a crippled form compared to what is being described here.
- extension 15y agoWhy would you assume that? I know of those things and they haven't penetrated much in the 17 years since that presentation. But the patterns they embody have at least become common in the more popular and impoverished languages. This reveals their value to the masses and drives their acceptance as first-class language features.
- swannodette 15y agoMy impression of why these things haven't penetrated in 17 years - * Few people program in Common Lisp * AspectJ is an extension to Java
- danssig 15y agoI think Aspects have penetrated pretty well via Spring. They're probably used more for logging than anything else, but it's something.
- cwzwarich 15y agoThe problem with a MOP is that it is so general that it is possible to do anything and thus impossible to reason about anything. Kiczales gave an interesting retrospective talk where he talks about this subject and more: http://bc.tech.coop/blog/060709.html http://bc.tech.coop/blog/060709.html
- swannodette 15y agoKiczales actually points out that the many recent advancements on reasoning about programs (type systems, contracts) can probably be applied here.