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So, could someone explain what this means and why it has (at the moment) 11 points?

jauco 18y ago
From the comments on the page: If you want to develop applications for the iPhone you'll have to sign a Non-disclosure agreement (NDA). This prohibits people from sharing best practices and improving the platform overall. Everybody has to reinvent the wheel.
aristus 18y ago
Yes, but we can't because of the fucking NDA. Apple makes all potential app developers obey essentially a gag order. Whether it's legally enforceable is an open question, but since they control the platform and app store, Apple have all of the cards. That means: no books, no libraries, no websites, NOTHING because of a fear of being banned from the platform.
- axod 18y ago
  That's pretty standard, why is this surprising? I developed replacement firmward for the Archos handheld multimedia player a few years ago. You couldn't even get documents on the chip. The firmware was completely locked down, compressed+encrypted. These things just make it more fun :)
  - aristus 18y ago
    It's standard in semiconductors and devices. The iPhone is drawing lots of the kinds of developers (web, ISVs, etc) who are not used to that. They cut their teeth on very open/well-documented environments.
    - axod 18y ago
      Then the answer is for them to get more acquainted to how things work in the real world. Things are closed, things are proprietary. That's business. Apple hold all the cards because... erm they made the iPhone. It's theirs.
      - oqtol 18y ago
        >Things are closed, things are proprietary. That's business. Agreed (whether you like it or not, i personally don't care for it). >erm they made the iPhone. It's theirs. Disagree. I purchased the phone, it's no longer theirs, it's mine.
      - aristus 18y ago
        I respectfully suggest that times change. A generation ago most "real world" programming platforms were closed. The idea of multi-billion-dollar companies routinely depending on free software stacks was almost inconceivable.
dkokelley 18y ago
It's just a bunch of tweets about how much people don't like the NDA on Apple's Dev. Program. Honestly, without knowing more about what I'm seeing here I don't think it meets News.YC standards. Would this an appropriate use of the 'flag' link?
- immad 18y ago
  I think it is interesting to see the outcry and the problems its causing. Both from a developers view point and from a how not to do a community view point. Also fuckingnda.com is a good was of expressing that and bringing together twitter.
  - axod 18y ago
    A few open source developers isn't going to make much difference. It's causing problems for open source developers who like to be able to do what they want, but for end users I don't see any problems. Apart from the quality control - why are there so many useless mindless apps like "flashlight"? Personally I'll mainly still continue to use webapps rather than the apps.

jauco 18y ago

From the comments on the page: If you want to develop applications for the iPhone you'll have to sign a Non-disclosure agreement (NDA). This prohibits people from sharing best practices and improving the platform overall. Everybody has to reinvent the wheel.

aristus 18y ago

Yes, but we can't because of the fucking NDA. Apple makes all potential app developers obey essentially a gag order. Whether it's legally enforceable is an open question, but since they control the platform and app store, Apple have all of the cards. That means: no books, no libraries, no websites, NOTHING because of a fear of being banned from the platform.

axod 18y ago
That's pretty standard, why is this surprising? I developed replacement firmward for the Archos handheld multimedia player a few years ago. You couldn't even get documents on the chip. The firmware was completely locked down, compressed+encrypted. These things just make it more fun :)
- aristus 18y ago
  It's standard in semiconductors and devices. The iPhone is drawing lots of the kinds of developers (web, ISVs, etc) who are not used to that. They cut their teeth on very open/well-documented environments.
  - axod 18y ago
    Then the answer is for them to get more acquainted to how things work in the real world. Things are closed, things are proprietary. That's business. Apple hold all the cards because... erm they made the iPhone. It's theirs.
    - oqtol 18y ago
      >Things are closed, things are proprietary. That's business. Agreed (whether you like it or not, i personally don't care for it). >erm they made the iPhone. It's theirs. Disagree. I purchased the phone, it's no longer theirs, it's mine.
    - aristus 18y ago
      I respectfully suggest that times change. A generation ago most "real world" programming platforms were closed. The idea of multi-billion-dollar companies routinely depending on free software stacks was almost inconceivable.

dkokelley 18y ago

It's just a bunch of tweets about how much people don't like the NDA on Apple's Dev. Program. Honestly, without knowing more about what I'm seeing here I don't think it meets News.YC standards. Would this an appropriate use of the 'flag' link?

immad 18y ago
I think it is interesting to see the outcry and the problems its causing. Both from a developers view point and from a how not to do a community view point. Also fuckingnda.com is a good was of expressing that and bringing together twitter.
- axod 18y ago
  A few open source developers isn't going to make much difference. It's causing problems for open source developers who like to be able to do what they want, but for end users I don't see any problems. Apart from the quality control - why are there so many useless mindless apps like "flashlight"? Personally I'll mainly still continue to use webapps rather than the apps.