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https://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics-fatalities-2019.php https://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics-fatalities-2019... Says Pit Bulls are responsible

https://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics-fatalities-2019.php https://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics-fatalities-2019... Says Pit Bulls are responsible for 69% of the fatalities (not just of all attacks).

michaelmrose 6y ago
This is a terrible source. Please see. https://adbadog.com/truth-behind-dogsbite-org/ https://adbadog.com/truth-behind-dogsbite-org/ Personally I prefer the Journal of the American Veterinary Medical Association and the American Dog Breeders Association to a single biased source that is basically the qanon of breed specific legislation. The only reason that I have slightly more respect for dogsbite is at least dogs actually have teeth whereas the pizza place in fact did not have a basement.
- denimnerd42 6y ago
  You link a pitbull lobbying group as defense? There are plenty of pit bull lobbies. Most of them come from no-kill background because pitbulls are the most common dogs in shelters. There is no national register for dog bites. You can see how coronavirus tracking goes to show how much of a feat that would be. All you can do is track evidence in newspapers and in online media. Interview ER docs, plastic surgeons, etc.
  - michaelmrose 6y ago
    Journal of the American Veterinary Medical Association Co-occurrence of potentially preventable factors in 256 dog bite–related fatalities in the United States (2000–2009) Objective—To examine potentially preventable factors in human dog bite–related fatalities (DBRFs) on the basis of data from sources that were more complete, verifiable, and accurate than media reports used in previous studies. Design—Prospective case series. Sample—256 DBRFs occurring in the United States from 2000 to 2009. Procedures—DBRFs were identified from media reports and detailed histories were compiled on the basis of reports from homicide detectives, animal control reports, and interviews with investigators for coding and descriptive analysis. Results—Major co-occurrence factors for the 256 DBRFs included Absence of an able-bodied person to intervene (n = 223 [87.1%]) Incidental or no familiar relationship of victims with dogs (218 [85.2%]) Owner failure to neuter dogs (216 [84.4%]) Compromised ability of victims to interact appropriately with dogs (198 [77.4%]) Dogs kept isolated from regular positive human interactions versus family dogs (195 [76.2%]) Owners’ prior mismanagement of dogs (96 [37.5%]) Owners’ history of abuse or neglect of dogs (54 [21.1%]) Four or more of these factors co-occurred in 206 (80.5%) deaths. For 401 dogs described in various media accounts, reported breed differed for 124 (30.9%); for 346 dogs with both media and animal control breed reports, breed differed for 139 (40.2%). Valid breed determination was possible for only 45 (17.6%) DBRFs; 20 breeds, including 2 known mixes, were identified. Conclusions and Clinical Relevance—Most dog bite–related fatalities were characterized by coincident, preventable factors; breed was not one of these. Study results supported previous recommendations for multifactorial approaches, instead of single-factor solutions such as breed-specific legislation, for dog bite prevention. The source is the Journal of the American Veterinary Medical Association which is more reliable than one whack job living out her fantasy of being paid real money to pursue an anti pit bull crusade which began with a lie. She was herself the victim of a dog bite which she has related several times giving different stories each time adding theatrics over time. Eventually the dog walker which had the dog on a leash lost control of her dangerous animal which dragged her, shook her, and tried to rip her throat out. The circumstances, aftermath, injuries, and other party, and even her original statement contradict this. What actually happened is that while jogging she ran up behind the dog walker on a very narrow walk alongside a wall without giving any verbal indication of her intentions. When she tried to go around the dog and walker she would have passed within inches of the dog startling it. The dog which had no history of aggression bit the woman on the arm twice bite and release not bite and shake, not drag through the grass, no attempted bite to the neck. She sustained soft tissue damage to the arm fell and broke her arm in the fall. She sued the owners home insurance collecting a substantial settlement for her own incompetence and insisting on the prompt killing of the family pet. She then went on to make a career out of being a professional victim and duping people like yourself. She is a terrible human being and it would be great if you stopped spreading canine qanon around here and elsewhere.
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    - denimnerd42 6y ago
      Ok whether dogbites.org is a lunatic or not. I think there is probable evidence that these dogs are not good pets. Whether it is adoption pages stating that there shouldn't be any children, other dogs, or cats in the home. Gofundme for mauled children. Confiscated dogs, etc. Theses are not family dogs. They have been bred to fight and kill just like others have been bred to herd.
      - michaelmrose 6y ago
        The person you now admit is a lunatic was your only source that pit bulls are particularly dangerous compared to ANY large breed. This is to say the level of danger directly and only corresponds to the fact that a large dog can do more damage than a chihuahua. Statistically buying your kid a bike is much more dangerous to their continued survival. Dogs that are raised properly aren't particularly dangerous regardless of breed. Like the bike its a small manageable risk you can virtually negate by not being an idiot and helping your kid not be an idiot. What YOU want to do is take this decision out of their hands based on dog attack videos on youtube and debunked information from a person you now seem to agree is a lunatic. I'm going to need to see an actual source for your claims.
        denimnerd42 6y ago
        I've never used dogs bite as a claim for anything. In fact I find that site unprofessional. You may be thinking of someone else. I have found plenty of primary and secondary sources, both online and in real life, to shape my beliefs. I'm open to any evidence to the contrary but having friends or acquaintances who have fallen into adopting pitbulls only to have had them euthanized or "rehomed" due to issues I am unlikely to change my opinion easily.
    - denimnerd42 6y ago
      One thing I just remembered: Previous to Michael Vick's very public dog fighting bust in 2007 most dogs were destroyed after being seized from dog fighting(1). After Michael Vick's exposure organizations popped up to save these dogs. Now saving pit bulls is more popular than ever but not every shelter has the resources to do it. 1. https://www.npr.org/2019/09/26/764790714/what-happened-to-the-dogs-in-michael-vicks-dogfighting-operation https://www.npr.org/2019/09/26/764790714/what-happened-to-th...
  - michaelmrose 6y ago
    In response to your now deleted comment there are 90 million dogs in the US. I'm guessing you aren't for banning bathtubs despite hundreds dying in them annually.
    - denimnerd42 6y ago
      No I'm not sure it's worth arguing someone on the internet when there is no good evidence documented either way. I think better reporting should be required. I see what I see and that's good enough for my opinion right now. The biggest part I don't like is how people are being pushed towards shelters to adopt dogs and pitbulls of unknown origin are the highest percentage of dogs available in those shelters. Whether it's their bred in nature or their nurture. I think a combination of both, but I don't think these shelters should be pushing these dogs onto families. Especially ones that have killed family pets before and are being advertised as "good with children"
      - michaelmrose 6y ago
        Basically you are now saying their isn't enough evidence so we ought to make laws based on your gut. I'm also going to need a source on shelters accepting animals that have killed other family pets and are subsequently advertised as "good with children" because it kind of sounds like something you learned from your facebook news feed.
        denimnerd42 6y ago
        Thanks for insult w/ the fb newsfeed. Thanks but no thanks I'm not posting my "friends" dogs on here that are being rehomed through pitbull only shelters. Never mentioned banning pitbulls. But would approve of stricter regulations around their adoption. Love debating with you, you are such a charmer.
mikestew 6y ago
That source can say anything it wants, and obviously people who want to believe their message will believe it. Those that prefer their sources to not have a singular ax to grind, such as the source you posted, will skip that one. No, more YouTube links won't help, either.
- sn_master 6y ago
  Typical SJW logic... If I don't provide a source (because apparently qualified PhD expert interviews on national TV aren't a "source"), you mock me for not having provided one. When I provide a written one which has citations from government agencies and hospitals, you just say "That source can say anything it wants". Why don't you get a pit bull yourself, preferably one that has been in a half dozen homes and gotten back to the shelter because it killed several pets and injured young children, and then tell me how it feels like, if you don't end up on a YouTube video yourself first, that is.
perardi 6y ago
Define a “pit bull”. Go right ahead. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pit_bull https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pit_bull
- etempleton 6y ago
  One of the reasons “Pit Bulls” are attributed for so many attacks is because it is not a breed and on police reports when it is a mixed breed that looks vaguely like a terrier breed they assign “pitbull” because it is not like they are going to do a DNA test to determine breed. It is also true that many people who want a tough looking “pitbull” are terrible owners who want their dog to attack and to be aggressive as a form of personal and home defense and raise them accordingly.
  - denimnerd42 6y ago
    On the other hand there are plenty of examples of pitbull dogs killing or mauling the family's cat, dog, child, or grandparent completely randomly with no prior warning. I didn't really know much about pits or have any opinion until one of my buddies adopted one and it killed his two cats with him trying to pry its mouth open. I started to look into the issue after that.
    - hn_user82179 6y ago
      "With no prior warning" is a tough one. Pit Bull Terriers and other bully-type dogs are known to have high prey drives, and you can't really be surprised if one goes after a cat or small dog. I'm pretty tired of both the people who blame the dogs for everything and the people who are trying to convince the world that bully breed dogs are great beginner- or family-friendly pets. Certain dogs have certain traits that you can't train out of them. I love hamsters and rabbits, but I'm not ever going to get one as a pet because my rat terrier has an extremely high prey drive. It's just stupid to put any animal in that situation.
      - etempleton 6y ago
        You must be able to control the dog you adopt. Not all dogs are good for every person. Your experience raising dogs, space available, physical strength, and your time should all be considered. I have heard a good measure for physical strength required is that you should be able to carry any fully grown dog you own. If you can’t pick them up and carry them a short distance you probably do not have the physical stength to handle them.

michaelmrose 6y ago

This is a terrible source. Please see. https://adbadog.com/truth-behind-dogsbite-org/ https://adbadog.com/truth-behind-dogsbite-org/ Personally I prefer the Journal of the American Veterinary Medical Association and the American Dog Breeders Association to a single biased source that is basically the qanon of breed specific legislation. The only reason that I have slightly more respect for dogsbite is at least dogs actually have teeth whereas the pizza place in fact did not have a basement.

denimnerd42 6y ago
You link a pitbull lobbying group as defense? There are plenty of pit bull lobbies. Most of them come from no-kill background because pitbulls are the most common dogs in shelters. There is no national register for dog bites. You can see how coronavirus tracking goes to show how much of a feat that would be. All you can do is track evidence in newspapers and in online media. Interview ER docs, plastic surgeons, etc.
- michaelmrose 6y ago
  Journal of the American Veterinary Medical Association Co-occurrence of potentially preventable factors in 256 dog bite–related fatalities in the United States (2000–2009) Objective—To examine potentially preventable factors in human dog bite–related fatalities (DBRFs) on the basis of data from sources that were more complete, verifiable, and accurate than media reports used in previous studies. Design—Prospective case series. Sample—256 DBRFs occurring in the United States from 2000 to 2009. Procedures—DBRFs were identified from media reports and detailed histories were compiled on the basis of reports from homicide detectives, animal control reports, and interviews with investigators for coding and descriptive analysis. Results—Major co-occurrence factors for the 256 DBRFs included Absence of an able-bodied person to intervene (n = 223 [87.1%]) Incidental or no familiar relationship of victims with dogs (218 [85.2%]) Owner failure to neuter dogs (216 [84.4%]) Compromised ability of victims to interact appropriately with dogs (198 [77.4%]) Dogs kept isolated from regular positive human interactions versus family dogs (195 [76.2%]) Owners’ prior mismanagement of dogs (96 [37.5%]) Owners’ history of abuse or neglect of dogs (54 [21.1%]) Four or more of these factors co-occurred in 206 (80.5%) deaths. For 401 dogs described in various media accounts, reported breed differed for 124 (30.9%); for 346 dogs with both media and animal control breed reports, breed differed for 139 (40.2%). Valid breed determination was possible for only 45 (17.6%) DBRFs; 20 breeds, including 2 known mixes, were identified. Conclusions and Clinical Relevance—Most dog bite–related fatalities were characterized by coincident, preventable factors; breed was not one of these. Study results supported previous recommendations for multifactorial approaches, instead of single-factor solutions such as breed-specific legislation, for dog bite prevention. The source is the Journal of the American Veterinary Medical Association which is more reliable than one whack job living out her fantasy of being paid real money to pursue an anti pit bull crusade which began with a lie. She was herself the victim of a dog bite which she has related several times giving different stories each time adding theatrics over time. Eventually the dog walker which had the dog on a leash lost control of her dangerous animal which dragged her, shook her, and tried to rip her throat out. The circumstances, aftermath, injuries, and other party, and even her original statement contradict this. What actually happened is that while jogging she ran up behind the dog walker on a very narrow walk alongside a wall without giving any verbal indication of her intentions. When she tried to go around the dog and walker she would have passed within inches of the dog startling it. The dog which had no history of aggression bit the woman on the arm twice bite and release not bite and shake, not drag through the grass, no attempted bite to the neck. She sustained soft tissue damage to the arm fell and broke her arm in the fall. She sued the owners home insurance collecting a substantial settlement for her own incompetence and insisting on the prompt killing of the family pet. She then went on to make a career out of being a professional victim and duping people like yourself. She is a terrible human being and it would be great if you stopped spreading canine qanon around here and elsewhere.
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  - denimnerd42 6y ago
    Ok whether dogbites.org is a lunatic or not. I think there is probable evidence that these dogs are not good pets. Whether it is adoption pages stating that there shouldn't be any children, other dogs, or cats in the home. Gofundme for mauled children. Confiscated dogs, etc. Theses are not family dogs. They have been bred to fight and kill just like others have been bred to herd.
    - michaelmrose 6y ago
      The person you now admit is a lunatic was your only source that pit bulls are particularly dangerous compared to ANY large breed. This is to say the level of danger directly and only corresponds to the fact that a large dog can do more damage than a chihuahua. Statistically buying your kid a bike is much more dangerous to their continued survival. Dogs that are raised properly aren't particularly dangerous regardless of breed. Like the bike its a small manageable risk you can virtually negate by not being an idiot and helping your kid not be an idiot. What YOU want to do is take this decision out of their hands based on dog attack videos on youtube and debunked information from a person you now seem to agree is a lunatic. I'm going to need to see an actual source for your claims.
      - denimnerd42 6y ago
        I've never used dogs bite as a claim for anything. In fact I find that site unprofessional. You may be thinking of someone else. I have found plenty of primary and secondary sources, both online and in real life, to shape my beliefs. I'm open to any evidence to the contrary but having friends or acquaintances who have fallen into adopting pitbulls only to have had them euthanized or "rehomed" due to issues I am unlikely to change my opinion easily.
  - denimnerd42 6y ago
    One thing I just remembered: Previous to Michael Vick's very public dog fighting bust in 2007 most dogs were destroyed after being seized from dog fighting(1). After Michael Vick's exposure organizations popped up to save these dogs. Now saving pit bulls is more popular than ever but not every shelter has the resources to do it. 1. https://www.npr.org/2019/09/26/764790714/what-happened-to-the-dogs-in-michael-vicks-dogfighting-operation https://www.npr.org/2019/09/26/764790714/what-happened-to-th...
- michaelmrose 6y ago
  In response to your now deleted comment there are 90 million dogs in the US. I'm guessing you aren't for banning bathtubs despite hundreds dying in them annually.
  - denimnerd42 6y ago
    No I'm not sure it's worth arguing someone on the internet when there is no good evidence documented either way. I think better reporting should be required. I see what I see and that's good enough for my opinion right now. The biggest part I don't like is how people are being pushed towards shelters to adopt dogs and pitbulls of unknown origin are the highest percentage of dogs available in those shelters. Whether it's their bred in nature or their nurture. I think a combination of both, but I don't think these shelters should be pushing these dogs onto families. Especially ones that have killed family pets before and are being advertised as "good with children"
    - michaelmrose 6y ago
      Basically you are now saying their isn't enough evidence so we ought to make laws based on your gut. I'm also going to need a source on shelters accepting animals that have killed other family pets and are subsequently advertised as "good with children" because it kind of sounds like something you learned from your facebook news feed.
      - denimnerd42 6y ago
        Thanks for insult w/ the fb newsfeed. Thanks but no thanks I'm not posting my "friends" dogs on here that are being rehomed through pitbull only shelters. Never mentioned banning pitbulls. But would approve of stricter regulations around their adoption. Love debating with you, you are such a charmer.

mikestew 6y ago

That source can say anything it wants, and obviously people who want to believe their message will believe it. Those that prefer their sources to not have a singular ax to grind, such as the source you posted, will skip that one. No, more YouTube links won't help, either.

sn_master 6y ago
Typical SJW logic... If I don't provide a source (because apparently qualified PhD expert interviews on national TV aren't a "source"), you mock me for not having provided one. When I provide a written one which has citations from government agencies and hospitals, you just say "That source can say anything it wants". Why don't you get a pit bull yourself, preferably one that has been in a half dozen homes and gotten back to the shelter because it killed several pets and injured young children, and then tell me how it feels like, if you don't end up on a YouTube video yourself first, that is.

perardi 6y ago

Define a “pit bull”. Go right ahead. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pit_bull https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pit_bull

etempleton 6y ago
One of the reasons “Pit Bulls” are attributed for so many attacks is because it is not a breed and on police reports when it is a mixed breed that looks vaguely like a terrier breed they assign “pitbull” because it is not like they are going to do a DNA test to determine breed. It is also true that many people who want a tough looking “pitbull” are terrible owners who want their dog to attack and to be aggressive as a form of personal and home defense and raise them accordingly.
- denimnerd42 6y ago
  On the other hand there are plenty of examples of pitbull dogs killing or mauling the family's cat, dog, child, or grandparent completely randomly with no prior warning. I didn't really know much about pits or have any opinion until one of my buddies adopted one and it killed his two cats with him trying to pry its mouth open. I started to look into the issue after that.
  - hn_user82179 6y ago
    "With no prior warning" is a tough one. Pit Bull Terriers and other bully-type dogs are known to have high prey drives, and you can't really be surprised if one goes after a cat or small dog. I'm pretty tired of both the people who blame the dogs for everything and the people who are trying to convince the world that bully breed dogs are great beginner- or family-friendly pets. Certain dogs have certain traits that you can't train out of them. I love hamsters and rabbits, but I'm not ever going to get one as a pet because my rat terrier has an extremely high prey drive. It's just stupid to put any animal in that situation.
    - etempleton 6y ago
      You must be able to control the dog you adopt. Not all dogs are good for every person. Your experience raising dogs, space available, physical strength, and your time should all be considered. I have heard a good measure for physical strength required is that you should be able to carry any fully grown dog you own. If you can’t pick them up and carry them a short distance you probably do not have the physical stength to handle them.