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The hundreds of videos of the said dogs attacking people, the detailed news reports and expert interviews are not a source to back an argument?

t-writescode 6y ago
Whether or not the message you’re sharing is true, the plural of anecdote is not data; and the only solution you find acceptable is the ending of hundreds of thousands of animals’ lives, many of whom have done nothing wrong.
- sn_master 6y ago
  since when not having dogs breed became the same as killing them?!
  - t-writescode 6y ago
    Related question: you have a bunch of dogs that you believe shouldn't be allowed to be around. What do you do with them? Further, if it's illegal for anyone to buy them, what do you do with them?
    - sn_master 6y ago
      Are you serious? The UK had the same problem when they banned pit bulls. Not a single dog was killed. They just disallowed people from getting new dogs, and the ones that already existed just died out of old age in their existing homes. If new dogs are found they just go to an animal shelter where they get neutered and that's it. In some cases, like the US, unwanted (but legal) dogs go to Canada where they get new homes. Checkout YouTube for that, they all look like happy puppies. Not a single breed-specific-legislation in the world resulted in any dogs getting killed. What we're talking about here, is dog breed which single handedly are responsible for over 90% of fatalities and serious injuries should be neutered and not allowed to be sold to the general public. They can be in shelters, as guard dogs or used by the police or military, just not regular family homes with elderly and children who can't defend themselves. Where did you get that gruesome idea of killing dogs from?! No one anywhere in the world has done that or even talked about it.
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SV_BubbleTime 6y ago
The correlation is that for some reason trashy people prefer pit bulls, they don’t train their dogs, and then the breed gets a bad reputation. They have immensely powerful jaws, but are no more likely to use them than any other breed. There is an unfortunate increase in damage per instance but this again is no fault of the breed.
- retsibsi 6y ago
  > There is an unfortunate increase in damage per instance but this again is no fault of the breed. I don't think 'fault' is really the point -- the question is whether they are more dangerous. The 'unfortunate increase in damage per instance' is a euphemistic way of saying that yes, they are.
- random5634 6y ago
  Anyone dealing with dogs knows the pit bulls are FAR more dangerous than other breeds. Their physical strength and jaw strength in particular make them potentially deadly. Can a poodle kill you? In some edge cases maybe. Can a pit bull do it? For sure. This is correlated with lower rates of spay / neuter as well. So you have an animal that is naturally MUCH more dangerous, and then you have that correlated with folks who LIKE that they are so dangerous and the bad outcomes multiply. Want a poodle? Here you go. Want a pit bull? You should have to prove you are going to be able to train, care, etc for them and will keep them on leash in situations where they could kill others (ie, children's playground - yes - people bring off leash pitbulls occasionally - NOT a good situation). BTW - same rule should apply to guns. Want a .50 cal automatic machine gun? You should need some kind of extra license given the danger you now pose.
  - inglor_cz 6y ago
    "Want a .50 cal automatic machine gun?" IDK where you are, but automatic guns are very hard to buy in the U.S. You may be able to buy a pre-1986 model, but the bureaucracy is exactly as onerous as you wish it to be, as is the price tag. Or are you confusing automatic and semi-automatic guns?
  - tomcam 6y ago

t-writescode 6y ago

Whether or not the message you’re sharing is true, the plural of anecdote is not data; and the only solution you find acceptable is the ending of hundreds of thousands of animals’ lives, many of whom have done nothing wrong.

sn_master 6y ago
since when not having dogs breed became the same as killing them?!
- t-writescode 6y ago
  Related question: you have a bunch of dogs that you believe shouldn't be allowed to be around. What do you do with them? Further, if it's illegal for anyone to buy them, what do you do with them?
  - sn_master 6y ago
    Are you serious? The UK had the same problem when they banned pit bulls. Not a single dog was killed. They just disallowed people from getting new dogs, and the ones that already existed just died out of old age in their existing homes. If new dogs are found they just go to an animal shelter where they get neutered and that's it. In some cases, like the US, unwanted (but legal) dogs go to Canada where they get new homes. Checkout YouTube for that, they all look like happy puppies. Not a single breed-specific-legislation in the world resulted in any dogs getting killed. What we're talking about here, is dog breed which single handedly are responsible for over 90% of fatalities and serious injuries should be neutered and not allowed to be sold to the general public. They can be in shelters, as guard dogs or used by the police or military, just not regular family homes with elderly and children who can't defend themselves. Where did you get that gruesome idea of killing dogs from?! No one anywhere in the world has done that or even talked about it.

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SV_BubbleTime 6y ago

The correlation is that for some reason trashy people prefer pit bulls, they don’t train their dogs, and then the breed gets a bad reputation. They have immensely powerful jaws, but are no more likely to use them than any other breed. There is an unfortunate increase in damage per instance but this again is no fault of the breed.

retsibsi 6y ago
> There is an unfortunate increase in damage per instance but this again is no fault of the breed. I don't think 'fault' is really the point -- the question is whether they are more dangerous. The 'unfortunate increase in damage per instance' is a euphemistic way of saying that yes, they are.
random5634 6y ago
Anyone dealing with dogs knows the pit bulls are FAR more dangerous than other breeds. Their physical strength and jaw strength in particular make them potentially deadly. Can a poodle kill you? In some edge cases maybe. Can a pit bull do it? For sure. This is correlated with lower rates of spay / neuter as well. So you have an animal that is naturally MUCH more dangerous, and then you have that correlated with folks who LIKE that they are so dangerous and the bad outcomes multiply. Want a poodle? Here you go. Want a pit bull? You should have to prove you are going to be able to train, care, etc for them and will keep them on leash in situations where they could kill others (ie, children's playground - yes - people bring off leash pitbulls occasionally - NOT a good situation). BTW - same rule should apply to guns. Want a .50 cal automatic machine gun? You should need some kind of extra license given the danger you now pose.
- inglor_cz 6y ago
  "Want a .50 cal automatic machine gun?" IDK where you are, but automatic guns are very hard to buy in the U.S. You may be able to buy a pre-1986 model, but the bureaucracy is exactly as onerous as you wish it to be, as is the price tag. Or are you confusing automatic and semi-automatic guns?
- tomcam 6y ago