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pretty much any large dog can seriously fuck you up if they have a mind to. I've seen a chesapeake bay retriever crush a deer's head with his jaws. in the vast

pretty much any large dog can seriously fuck you up if they have a mind to. I've seen a chesapeake bay retriever crush a deer's head with his jaws. in the vast majority of cases, a properly socialized dog will not attack a human unprovoked.

sn_master 6y ago
I only mentioned pit bulls because OP said that shelter had 130 unadopted pit bulls. Whether or not they're statistically more aggressive than other dogs of the same size and socialization, that's a debate that'll get me a ton of downvotes here regardless of how I answer, so I'll pass on that one.
- michaelmrose 6y ago
  You would get less down votes if you make substantial arguments as people will be more apt to engage in discussion instead of down voting and moving on.
  - sn_master 6y ago
    I shared a YouTube link with hundreds of videos of pitbull attacks caught on camera. Watching one or two of those videos should constitute a substantial argument if someone has an open mind. From experience, I can spend a solid hour writing arguments and I'll get downvoted anyway by all the SJWs here who refuse to accept anything differing from they believe in. Even if one person decides to watch any of those videos and changes their mind about getting a pitbull I'll be happy for saving a life and I don't give a damn about downvotes.
    - leetcrew 6y ago
      there are almost 80 million dogs in america. linking a video with hundreds of pitbull attacks is not much better than just saying your neighbor has one and it's mean. the margin for error is probably higher with a lab or golden retriever, but it's irresponsible to own any large dog without committing to proper training and socialization. any large dog can maim or kill a human if provoked.
      - sn_master 6y ago
        There is a reason BSLs exist. Scientists in those countries have decided pitbulls in particular are statistically more dangerous. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breed-specific_legislation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breed-specific_legislation Please be cautious before getting a pit bull yourself or for a loved one. I don't see this discussion moving forward regardless of whatever evidence I present. God bless, have a great holiday.
        michaelmrose 6y ago
        Breed specific legislation depends on the argument that certain breeds are more dangerous. It's illogical to posit this is so because the legislation exists its circular.
        sn_master 6y ago
        What are you even saying? Scientists use statistics from hospitals. They find that 90% of brutal gruesome deaths are caused by one breed or variation of such breed, they ban that breed from being adopted. Result? 90% less gruesome bloody murders of innocent children and elderly -> success, the law is here to stay! Where is the "illogical" or "circular" part? I don't understand what those words have to do here. Do you like to allow poisonous snakes and tigers to be owned by the general population without any special license and guards too?
        michaelmrose 6y ago
        Surely you could provide some studies that show that in areas with breed bans the rate of gruesome violent deaths are down 90%, or you could if that were real. Outside of fantasies pushed by a professional victim there isn't such proof and on net the number of people killed by dogs is about 1/10 of the number that drown in bathtubs and you could do more for the world by demanding grab bars be installed in every bathroom.
        sn_master 6y ago
    - perardi 6y ago
      Define a “pit bull”. Go right ahead. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pit_bull https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pit_bull
      - sn_master 6y ago
        No one is going to confuse a German Shephard, Huskey or a Chihuahua for a "pit bull". If you insist, there are DNA tests that exist and can "define" the aggressive genes very precisely.
    - dragonwriter 6y ago
      > I shared a YouTube link with hundreds of videos of pitbull attacks caught on camera. Which proves nothing about innate traits. That pit bulls have a reputation that makes them prized with people that want to train dogs for aggressiveness (a culturalnrole in which they displaced doberman pinschers in a fairly sudden phase transition despite no change in the underlying innate traits of either breed) is not controversial.
    - TwoBit 6y ago
      While a bunch of videos don't prove that pit bull breeds are inherently more dangerous, maybe there's an argument that pit bull physiology makes them more dangerous when they are inclined to be violent. That's a more concrete assertion at least.
    - Hnrobert42 6y ago
      So which dog breed do you like? If I send you one or two videos of that breed involved in a bad fight, will you have an open mind and be persuaded? For that matter, do you drive a car? I could show you a number of videos that demonstrate the danger of cars. And so on. Maybe folks are down voting you because a collection of videos isn’t a good argument. Maybe they have a pitbull in their life that they love. Not everyone who disagrees with you is a closed-minded SJW. If you are open-minded yourself, you must accept that maybe they disagree with you because they don’t find your argument compelling. I get why you are passionate about this. I understand you want to keep people safe. I am sure if we could discuss this over a beer, we could find common ground.
Fezzik 6y ago
Pretty much any mammal that is around 40+ lbs could seriously fuck that unarmed human up if it wanted or needed to. You’re not winning a hand-to-hoof fight with a deer or a mountain goat. The fact is that pit bulls are responsible for the super-majority of dog-attack-caused fatalities, at least in the USA: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_dog_attacks_in_the_United_States https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_dog_attacks_in... Over a 30+ year span, pit bulls were responsible for 3,397 attacks where the breed was able to be identified, nearly 7 times as many as the next most aggressive breed: https://maxlawsc.com/dog-bite-statistics/ https://maxlawsc.com/dog-bite-statistics/ Edited for clarity
- perardi 6y ago
  Ha, 40 pounds? My dad ended up in the hospital because of an antibiotic-resistant infection from…our 12-pound cat named Mittens.
  - jeromenerf 6y ago
    I had kind of the same treatment from a mild injury as I was rescuing a starved kitten from a sewer!@#
- rootusrootus 6y ago
  > around 40+ lbs Hell, I wouldn't even bet on a human against a properly motivated 15 pound house cat.
  - antisthenes 6y ago
    Especially if the cat rolls a 20 and crits... You better have 16+ CON!
- Hnrobert42 6y ago
  The study to which you refer is based on citations in newspapers as found by Animals 24-7. Animals 24-7 describes itself as “ ANIMALS 24-7 is especially noted for our in-depth coverage of attacks by pit bulls, other dangerous dogs...”. Who knows how much their bias affected their “study,” but I wouldn’t rely on it for the basis of my argument.

sn_master 6y ago

I only mentioned pit bulls because OP said that shelter had 130 unadopted pit bulls. Whether or not they're statistically more aggressive than other dogs of the same size and socialization, that's a debate that'll get me a ton of downvotes here regardless of how I answer, so I'll pass on that one.

michaelmrose 6y ago
You would get less down votes if you make substantial arguments as people will be more apt to engage in discussion instead of down voting and moving on.
- sn_master 6y ago
  I shared a YouTube link with hundreds of videos of pitbull attacks caught on camera. Watching one or two of those videos should constitute a substantial argument if someone has an open mind. From experience, I can spend a solid hour writing arguments and I'll get downvoted anyway by all the SJWs here who refuse to accept anything differing from they believe in. Even if one person decides to watch any of those videos and changes their mind about getting a pitbull I'll be happy for saving a life and I don't give a damn about downvotes.
  - leetcrew 6y ago
    there are almost 80 million dogs in america. linking a video with hundreds of pitbull attacks is not much better than just saying your neighbor has one and it's mean. the margin for error is probably higher with a lab or golden retriever, but it's irresponsible to own any large dog without committing to proper training and socialization. any large dog can maim or kill a human if provoked.
    - sn_master 6y ago
      There is a reason BSLs exist. Scientists in those countries have decided pitbulls in particular are statistically more dangerous. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breed-specific_legislation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breed-specific_legislation Please be cautious before getting a pit bull yourself or for a loved one. I don't see this discussion moving forward regardless of whatever evidence I present. God bless, have a great holiday.
      - michaelmrose 6y ago
        Breed specific legislation depends on the argument that certain breeds are more dangerous. It's illogical to posit this is so because the legislation exists its circular.
        sn_master 6y ago
        What are you even saying? Scientists use statistics from hospitals. They find that 90% of brutal gruesome deaths are caused by one breed or variation of such breed, they ban that breed from being adopted. Result? 90% less gruesome bloody murders of innocent children and elderly -> success, the law is here to stay! Where is the "illogical" or "circular" part? I don't understand what those words have to do here. Do you like to allow poisonous snakes and tigers to be owned by the general population without any special license and guards too?
        michaelmrose 6y ago
        Surely you could provide some studies that show that in areas with breed bans the rate of gruesome violent deaths are down 90%, or you could if that were real. Outside of fantasies pushed by a professional victim there isn't such proof and on net the number of people killed by dogs is about 1/10 of the number that drown in bathtubs and you could do more for the world by demanding grab bars be installed in every bathroom.
        sn_master 6y ago
  - perardi 6y ago
    Define a “pit bull”. Go right ahead. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pit_bull https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pit_bull
    - sn_master 6y ago
      No one is going to confuse a German Shephard, Huskey or a Chihuahua for a "pit bull". If you insist, there are DNA tests that exist and can "define" the aggressive genes very precisely.
  - dragonwriter 6y ago
    > I shared a YouTube link with hundreds of videos of pitbull attacks caught on camera. Which proves nothing about innate traits. That pit bulls have a reputation that makes them prized with people that want to train dogs for aggressiveness (a culturalnrole in which they displaced doberman pinschers in a fairly sudden phase transition despite no change in the underlying innate traits of either breed) is not controversial.
  - TwoBit 6y ago
    While a bunch of videos don't prove that pit bull breeds are inherently more dangerous, maybe there's an argument that pit bull physiology makes them more dangerous when they are inclined to be violent. That's a more concrete assertion at least.
  - Hnrobert42 6y ago
    So which dog breed do you like? If I send you one or two videos of that breed involved in a bad fight, will you have an open mind and be persuaded? For that matter, do you drive a car? I could show you a number of videos that demonstrate the danger of cars. And so on. Maybe folks are down voting you because a collection of videos isn’t a good argument. Maybe they have a pitbull in their life that they love. Not everyone who disagrees with you is a closed-minded SJW. If you are open-minded yourself, you must accept that maybe they disagree with you because they don’t find your argument compelling. I get why you are passionate about this. I understand you want to keep people safe. I am sure if we could discuss this over a beer, we could find common ground.

Fezzik 6y ago

Pretty much any mammal that is around 40+ lbs could seriously fuck that unarmed human up if it wanted or needed to. You’re not winning a hand-to-hoof fight with a deer or a mountain goat. The fact is that pit bulls are responsible for the super-majority of dog-attack-caused fatalities, at least in the USA: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_dog_attacks_in_the_United_States https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_dog_attacks_in... Over a 30+ year span, pit bulls were responsible for 3,397 attacks where the breed was able to be identified, nearly 7 times as many as the next most aggressive breed: https://maxlawsc.com/dog-bite-statistics/ https://maxlawsc.com/dog-bite-statistics/ Edited for clarity

perardi 6y ago
Ha, 40 pounds? My dad ended up in the hospital because of an antibiotic-resistant infection from…our 12-pound cat named Mittens.
- jeromenerf 6y ago
  I had kind of the same treatment from a mild injury as I was rescuing a starved kitten from a sewer!@#
rootusrootus 6y ago
> around 40+ lbs Hell, I wouldn't even bet on a human against a properly motivated 15 pound house cat.
- antisthenes 6y ago
  Especially if the cat rolls a 20 and crits... You better have 16+ CON!
Hnrobert42 6y ago
The study to which you refer is based on citations in newspapers as found by Animals 24-7. Animals 24-7 describes itself as “ ANIMALS 24-7 is especially noted for our in-depth coverage of attacks by pit bulls, other dangerous dogs...”. Who knows how much their bias affected their “study,” but I wouldn’t rely on it for the basis of my argument.