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Neutering or spaying should be mandatory. So many people “breed” dogs thinking they are going to sell them, who have no business doing so. So many puppies and

Neutering or spaying should be mandatory. So many people “breed” dogs thinking they are going to sell them, who have no business doing so. So many puppies and adult dogs fill our shelters, it’s very sad.

bumby 6y ago
The article actually talks about a shortage of adoptable dogs due to mass de-sexing, leading to unintended consequences like importing puppies
- spa3thyb 6y ago
  Talks about, but provides little evidence for. Banning puppy mills and letting dogs breed freely is hardly a solution.
  - bumby 6y ago
    I don’t believe “letting dogs breed freely” was being proposed. Please avoid straw man arguments
fiftyfifty 6y ago
There are a number of health issues that have been associated with spaying/neutering dogs including obesity, diabetes, cancer, cognitive impairment (Alzheimers type diseases) and joint problems like hip dysplasia, torn acls etc: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4096726/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4096726/ http://www.naiaonline.org/pdfs/LongTermHealthEffectsofSpayNeuterinDogs.pdf http://www.naiaonline.org/pdfs/LongTermHealthEffectsofSpayNe... Male dogs especially seem to suffer significant long term health effects from being neutered. A much more humane option would be performing vasectomies and leaving female dogs their ovaries.
- michaelmrose 6y ago
  If we made ridiculous laws like parent poster suggested instead of just doing that you would have to get your state to modify the law and hope it didn't require modifying federal law and wait a decade.
michaelmrose 6y ago
It's a complex choice with surprising implications see discussions in thread regarding different optimal timing for different breeds. Would you have cops seize unfixed animals, vets report same, perhaps a tip line to report your neighbors? Extra cops to handle enforcement, extra beuracrats to manage and track compliance? Since fixing all dogs would make dogs extinct I presume you wanted licenses for breeders. I'm sure the same people won't just pay a license fee and do the same things maybe we can require an an education program hire more paper pushers to write additional regulations, hire inspectors. I'm sure this whole thing won't just become a massive tax on dog ownership ensuring dogs start at 2000 with a $200 annual tax stamp. Everyone that ever wants to fix the world via legislation says that there ought to be a law ____. You have to actually enforce the laws and deal with implications.

bumby 6y ago

The article actually talks about a shortage of adoptable dogs due to mass de-sexing, leading to unintended consequences like importing puppies

spa3thyb 6y ago
Talks about, but provides little evidence for. Banning puppy mills and letting dogs breed freely is hardly a solution.
- bumby 6y ago
  I don’t believe “letting dogs breed freely” was being proposed. Please avoid straw man arguments

fiftyfifty 6y ago

There are a number of health issues that have been associated with spaying/neutering dogs including obesity, diabetes, cancer, cognitive impairment (Alzheimers type diseases) and joint problems like hip dysplasia, torn acls etc: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4096726/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4096726/ http://www.naiaonline.org/pdfs/LongTermHealthEffectsofSpayNeuterinDogs.pdf http://www.naiaonline.org/pdfs/LongTermHealthEffectsofSpayNe... Male dogs especially seem to suffer significant long term health effects from being neutered. A much more humane option would be performing vasectomies and leaving female dogs their ovaries.

michaelmrose 6y ago
If we made ridiculous laws like parent poster suggested instead of just doing that you would have to get your state to modify the law and hope it didn't require modifying federal law and wait a decade.

michaelmrose 6y ago

It's a complex choice with surprising implications see discussions in thread regarding different optimal timing for different breeds. Would you have cops seize unfixed animals, vets report same, perhaps a tip line to report your neighbors? Extra cops to handle enforcement, extra beuracrats to manage and track compliance? Since fixing all dogs would make dogs extinct I presume you wanted licenses for breeders. I'm sure the same people won't just pay a license fee and do the same things maybe we can require an an education program hire more paper pushers to write additional regulations, hire inspectors. I'm sure this whole thing won't just become a massive tax on dog ownership ensuring dogs start at 2000 with a $200 annual tax stamp. Everyone that ever wants to fix the world via legislation says that there ought to be a law ____. You have to actually enforce the laws and deal with implications.