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You only owe your employer your loyalty insofar as they're fulfilling their end of the bargain. If what you've said is true, they're not. There is no startup

by jfarmer 15y ago

You only owe your employer your loyalty insofar as they're fulfilling their end of the bargain. If what you've said is true, they're not. There is no startup out there who gives zero equity for any developer, let alone a lead developer. Salary varies widely depending on company stage and location. I'd be careful comparing the salary at an early stage startup to the median salary at a place like Google or Facebook -- you get more cash when equity is expensive for a startup, and vice versa -- but even at those companies you'd get some equity. Quit now, or if you don't have the cash, as soon as you find a job. There is no point in negotiating -- the kind of company that takes advantage of you when you're ignorant isn't the kind of company you want to work for even after you're fully-informed and can renegotiate a better deal. Feel free to email me at jesse@everlane.com. No need to de-anonymize yourself, but if you give me some details I'll be happy to help you decide what companies to be looking at.

Deestan 15y ago
> the kind of company that takes advantage of you when you're ignorant isn't the kind of company you want to work for even after you're fully-informed and can renegotiate a better deal. This is the important bit. Don't waste loyalty on someone who isn't loyal back. There's literally nothing in it for you; it will only bring you pain, frustration and health problems. Sure, I have no problem working for an illoyal employer, and most of us do. I'll do the most skilled work I can, with a professional attitude, as long as I get my negotiated pay. But, they can not expect any loyalty if things go bad. If my employer refuses to compensate when people run off from the family dinner to help out during emergencies, that is acceptable. The contract only says they are required to pay for my 8 hours per day. But, then they should not expect me to answer the phone outside working hours; I don't care if there's a crisis at Important Customer's site. The contract only says I have to work for 8 hours per day. If my employer has a tendency to lay off people to meet arbitrary profit goals, that is also acceptable. It's business - they're here to make money. But, I will also not hesitate to jump ship to take better paid jobs when given the opportunity. I don't care if I'm the only person left who knows Technology Foo. It's business - I have kids to feed and loans to pay. You should not be spiteful, you should just refuse to be exploited. Life's too short to spend in abusive relationships.

by jfarmer 15y ago

Deestan 15y ago

> the kind of company that takes advantage of you when you're ignorant isn't the kind of company you want to work for even after you're fully-informed and can renegotiate a better deal. This is the important bit. Don't waste loyalty on someone who isn't loyal back. There's literally nothing in it for you; it will only bring you pain, frustration and health problems. Sure, I have no problem working for an illoyal employer, and most of us do. I'll do the most skilled work I can, with a professional attitude, as long as I get my negotiated pay. But, they can not expect any loyalty if things go bad. If my employer refuses to compensate when people run off from the family dinner to help out during emergencies, that is acceptable. The contract only says they are required to pay for my 8 hours per day. But, then they should not expect me to answer the phone outside working hours; I don't care if there's a crisis at Important Customer's site. The contract only says I have to work for 8 hours per day. If my employer has a tendency to lay off people to meet arbitrary profit goals, that is also acceptable. It's business - they're here to make money. But, I will also not hesitate to jump ship to take better paid jobs when given the opportunity. I don't care if I'm the only person left who knows Technology Foo. It's business - I have kids to feed and loans to pay. You should not be spiteful, you should just refuse to be exploited. Life's too short to spend in abusive relationships.