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Is this what passes for "gaming press" these days? Cyberpunk is not supposed to be some watershed philosophical masterwork. It's a game, bro. And from everyo

by eric_b 6y ago

Is this what passes for "gaming press" these days? Cyberpunk is not supposed to be some watershed philosophical masterwork. It's a game, bro. And from everyone I've talked to it sounds like it's really fun if you have the hardware to run it, bugs and all.

BitwiseFool 6y ago
Maybe the gaming press wants games to be philosophical/political works because it gives them something to write about.
- villasv 6y ago
  There's the word punk in the title. Why not analyze the game relating to the punk culture (including its philosophy and politics)? There's enough space on the Internet for "is this game fun?" reviews and "is this game epistemologically sound?" reviews.
  - bobthepanda 6y ago
    The people who whine about games not being taken seriously as an art turn around and whine about how it’s just a game whenever actual, even faintly critical critiques of the art get published.
    - bigbubba 6y ago
      Are you sure it's precisely the same individuals arguing these contradictory positions, or might it be different people?
      - majormajor 6y ago
        Probably not, but then, this whole thread was started by someone asking if NPR is what passes as "Gaming Press" these days, which... well... no?? Probably obviously not? Likely to be coming at it from a different angle?
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bigbubba 6y ago
The way I see it, the game purports to be cyberpunk so it seems fair to judge the game as cyberpunk.
- jayd16 6y ago
  I'm not sure I follow the author's complaints though. Its not cyberpunk because the young protagonist has a glib jacket? Its not cyberpunk because the plot impact is high? Lots of cyberpunk works have high impact plots. Ghost in the shell and Neuromancer had some global military AI. Snow Crash had a villain with a nuclear bomb. A lot of the characters in these books were not deep at all. In fact I think accepting the dystopia as normal and living inside it's rules is almost a hallmark of the genre. I don't really understand the plot complaints other then they just didn't like it that more or that it didn't fit their idea of what the game should be.
nickthegreek 6y ago
You don't even need the hardware, just the internet pipe with stadia or geforce now.
pradn 6y ago
An AAA RPG these days needs to have depth and power, as table stakes. In a world after Witcher 3 and Red Dead Redemption 2, audiences expect more. Moreover, expectations were sky high for Cyberpunk after Witcher 3 managed to move the entire medium forward in the sort of storytelling and characterization and pathos one could achieve in games; and of course, CD Projekt Red fueled the fire of hype with all their glitzy demo reels before the game. I was excited to play the next game from the creators of Witcher 3, but I'm disappointed since, by all accounts, it's not as good. If they had announced it as a simple FPS/arcade game, no one would have expected any of this.

by eric_b 6y ago

BitwiseFool 6y ago

Maybe the gaming press wants games to be philosophical/political works because it gives them something to write about.

villasv 6y ago
There's the word punk in the title. Why not analyze the game relating to the punk culture (including its philosophy and politics)? There's enough space on the Internet for "is this game fun?" reviews and "is this game epistemologically sound?" reviews.
- bobthepanda 6y ago
  The people who whine about games not being taken seriously as an art turn around and whine about how it’s just a game whenever actual, even faintly critical critiques of the art get published.
  - bigbubba 6y ago
    Are you sure it's precisely the same individuals arguing these contradictory positions, or might it be different people?
    - majormajor 6y ago
      Probably not, but then, this whole thread was started by someone asking if NPR is what passes as "Gaming Press" these days, which... well... no?? Probably obviously not? Likely to be coming at it from a different angle?
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bigbubba 6y ago

The way I see it, the game purports to be cyberpunk so it seems fair to judge the game as cyberpunk.

jayd16 6y ago
I'm not sure I follow the author's complaints though. Its not cyberpunk because the young protagonist has a glib jacket? Its not cyberpunk because the plot impact is high? Lots of cyberpunk works have high impact plots. Ghost in the shell and Neuromancer had some global military AI. Snow Crash had a villain with a nuclear bomb. A lot of the characters in these books were not deep at all. In fact I think accepting the dystopia as normal and living inside it's rules is almost a hallmark of the genre. I don't really understand the plot complaints other then they just didn't like it that more or that it didn't fit their idea of what the game should be.

nickthegreek 6y ago

You don't even need the hardware, just the internet pipe with stadia or geforce now.

pradn 6y ago

An AAA RPG these days needs to have depth and power, as table stakes. In a world after Witcher 3 and Red Dead Redemption 2, audiences expect more. Moreover, expectations were sky high for Cyberpunk after Witcher 3 managed to move the entire medium forward in the sort of storytelling and characterization and pathos one could achieve in games; and of course, CD Projekt Red fueled the fire of hype with all their glitzy demo reels before the game. I was excited to play the next game from the creators of Witcher 3, but I'm disappointed since, by all accounts, it's not as good. If they had announced it as a simple FPS/arcade game, no one would have expected any of this.