What's been strange to me though is I've heard JS advocates lobbing those criticisms at PHP, making the case for, say, why 'Node is awesome, PHP sucks'. Confla

What's been strange to me though is I've heard JS advocates lobbing those criticisms at PHP, making the case for, say, why 'Node is awesome, PHP sucks'. Conflating a framework vs a language, then pointing out PHP 'issues' that also exist in JS... there's generally little point in trying to engage/correct at that point (context: primarily conference hallway conversations and meetup groups back when those actually happened).