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Very poor analysis. China already has a domestic spy, and secret police apparatus in every corner to keep just any, but highest seniority officials on the leash
by baybal2 6y ago
Very poor analysis. China already has a domestic spy, and secret police apparatus in every corner to keep just any, but highest seniority officials on the leash, not only ones making dissident faction, or not.
I cannot imagine that anybody seriously researching China never knew of that.
And I greatly doubt that just any benefit could've been extracted by US spies from getting hand on near 99% Chinese officials who don't know anything, and don't decide anything.
China's political elite is just few hundred people, and they were always surveilled by the state ceaselessly.
- mips_avatar 6y agoYou should read the Foreign Policy article they reference instead. https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/12/21/china-stolen-us-data-exposed-cia-operatives-spy-networks/# https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/12/21/china-stolen-us-data-ex...
- baybal2 6y agoI did it 2 days ago.
- mips_avatar 6y agoDid you disagree with the FP reporting?
- baybal2 6y agoNot in spirit, but say China doesn't need any "data superpower" to make US spies to work their pay. I'm 100% certain that China has many more spies in US than vice versa, and that America haven't ever penetrated into serious high up Chinese elites, whether they were corrupt, or not because of Chinese secret police.
- Scheherazade 6y agoThere are credible reports of ‘serious high up Chinese elites’ families seeking advice at the Swiss embassy in Beijing during the 1989 upheaval. If that dynamic still exists, they don’t necessarily need to be compromised by insiders to have information leak to American intelligence.
- dirtyid 6y ago>99% Chinese officials who don't know anything, and don't decide anything Basically. But I think "long-term thinking" implies grooming was suppose to eventually develop into useful assets if corruption culture persisted. Even if unlikely. Hence one motive, likely small but still significant - few dozen execution of CIA assets among million+ disciplined by CCDI. Along with "notable professionalizing of the Ministry of State Security" implying domestic counter-intelligence was previously lackluster, likely at lower levels. At least my experience in the 90s. Dinners with gossipy staff from JingXi. MSS officers chatty at weddings. One would hope opsec has improved since.