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> Why does it seem like we can argue only about object level matters, and almost no one [1] can see that the framework we run politics on top of is fundamentall

> Why does it seem like we can argue only about object level matters, and almost no one [1] can see that the framework we run politics on top of is fundamentally flawed? > Would it maybe help if we were to consciously force ourselves to conceptualize society/humanity as a video game, that has parameters and behaviors, and the state of the system can be acted on, but our actions will only be effective if the game allows it? For those interested in the first question, and the answer to why the second question is not the right way to go, check out Adam Curtis's most recent film, HyperNormalisation [0] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HyperNormalisation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HyperNormalisation

mistermann 6y ago
I'm a huge fan of Adam Curtis, and that particular documentary. I think you're maybe misinterpreting his message - he describes our reality as if it is a video game that's been created for us to live in, which is my very point. Thinking of it this way allows one to see the system more clearly, and in turn manipulate it to one's own ends (and very easily, provided those embedded within it are unaware of the situation, which is very much the case). If (even for the sake of discussion) one assumes this to be the case, then availing oneself of this very same technique (and do it better, leveraging superior thinking & magnitude of compute (via crowd-sourcing), lower requirements for stealth, etc) to fight back seems like a no-brainer to me. Getting those who live within such a system to even consider this possibility on the other hand, this is not an easy task. I see no no-brainer way to go about this, other than just talking about it explicitly. I'm essentially proposing that we apply the very same systems analysis techniques that we would use at work to the very system we live within, but it seems this is a very non-intuitive idea.

mistermann 6y ago

I'm a huge fan of Adam Curtis, and that particular documentary. I think you're maybe misinterpreting his message - he describes our reality as if it is a video game that's been created for us to live in, which is my very point. Thinking of it this way allows one to see the system more clearly, and in turn manipulate it to one's own ends (and very easily, provided those embedded within it are unaware of the situation, which is very much the case). If (even for the sake of discussion) one assumes this to be the case, then availing oneself of this very same technique (and do it better, leveraging superior thinking & magnitude of compute (via crowd-sourcing), lower requirements for stealth, etc) to fight back seems like a no-brainer to me. Getting those who live within such a system to even consider this possibility on the other hand, this is not an easy task. I see no no-brainer way to go about this, other than just talking about it explicitly. I'm essentially proposing that we apply the very same systems analysis techniques that we would use at work to the very system we live within, but it seems this is a very non-intuitive idea.