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Perhaps not surprisingly, they didn’t communicate the most obvious reason: Apple Silicon has shown that it’s not only possible, but that there is potentially hu

Perhaps not surprisingly, they didn’t communicate the most obvious reason: Apple Silicon has shown that it’s not only possible, but that there is potentially huge value in desktop Arm.

ballenf 6y ago
I think it's in ARM's self-interest that Apple doesn't run away with this market. Apple doesn't generate any revenue for ARM or it's a fixed amount, right? That would mean ARM has a strong incentive to promote non-Apple ARM platforms.
- pcdoodle 6y ago
  I like your Best of CL post, too bad it's gone.
- guitarbill 6y ago
  ARM has always had a strong incentive to promote more ARM platforms. Apple doesn't really change that, and they still pay royalties per chip, even with a perpetual license on the ISA AFAIK. Simply having less x86/Intel around can't hurt. Competitors are going to want similar battery life. This effectively means ARM. Also, there's now ARM chips being used in very capable laptop, desktop, mobile, and server applications. All of this reduces cross-architecture friction (cross-compiling, different memory models, etc).
  - helmholtz 6y ago
    Honestly, consumers want similar battery life too. My current laptop is the latest XPS. What a fucking power-hog. Dell's done well at giving me OK battery life, but I pay for the power with pretty appalling thermals. I LOVE the idea of a fanless laptop that also lasts well into double digit hours. So much so that this is a non-negotiable requirement for me. Just like the Surface lineup instantly disqualified all 16:9 laptops from my life for eternity, the M1 has instantly disqualified shitty thermals for me.
  - rwallace 6y ago
    > they still pay royalties per chip, even with a perpetual license on the ISA Why would they have to pay royalties per chip? I would've thought the whole point of a perpetual license on the ISA was that they didn't have to do that. What am I missing?
- senko 6y ago
  > I think it's in ARM's self-interest that Apple doesn't run away with this market. Apple is a high-profile demonstration that ARM is perfectly suitable for desktops (well, laptops). Also, Apple usually doesn't corner the market - instead it blazes the trail and others follow (see smartphones, tablets, retina displays, watches and lousy keyboards). If history is any guide, others will soon follow. All of this sounds like a great thing for ARM. Now, if only it survives nVidia...
- deleted 6y ago
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Perhaps not surprisingly, they didn’t communicate the most obvious reason: Apple Silicon has shown that it’s not only possible, but that there is potentially huge value in desktop Arm.

ballenf 6y ago

I think it's in ARM's self-interest that Apple doesn't run away with this market. Apple doesn't generate any revenue for ARM or it's a fixed amount, right? That would mean ARM has a strong incentive to promote non-Apple ARM platforms.

pcdoodle 6y ago
I like your Best of CL post, too bad it's gone.
guitarbill 6y ago
ARM has always had a strong incentive to promote more ARM platforms. Apple doesn't really change that, and they still pay royalties per chip, even with a perpetual license on the ISA AFAIK. Simply having less x86/Intel around can't hurt. Competitors are going to want similar battery life. This effectively means ARM. Also, there's now ARM chips being used in very capable laptop, desktop, mobile, and server applications. All of this reduces cross-architecture friction (cross-compiling, different memory models, etc).
- helmholtz 6y ago
  Honestly, consumers want similar battery life too. My current laptop is the latest XPS. What a fucking power-hog. Dell's done well at giving me OK battery life, but I pay for the power with pretty appalling thermals. I LOVE the idea of a fanless laptop that also lasts well into double digit hours. So much so that this is a non-negotiable requirement for me. Just like the Surface lineup instantly disqualified all 16:9 laptops from my life for eternity, the M1 has instantly disqualified shitty thermals for me.
- rwallace 6y ago
  > they still pay royalties per chip, even with a perpetual license on the ISA Why would they have to pay royalties per chip? I would've thought the whole point of a perpetual license on the ISA was that they didn't have to do that. What am I missing?
senko 6y ago
> I think it's in ARM's self-interest that Apple doesn't run away with this market. Apple is a high-profile demonstration that ARM is perfectly suitable for desktops (well, laptops). Also, Apple usually doesn't corner the market - instead it blazes the trail and others follow (see smartphones, tablets, retina displays, watches and lousy keyboards). If history is any guide, others will soon follow. All of this sounds like a great thing for ARM. Now, if only it survives nVidia...
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