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No, they don’t in fact.

sn_master 6y ago
Source? I find claims like this, and the one on Wikipedia that AirForce One does not have missiles amusing. Its not like they'll tell us even if they do.
- lawnchair_larry 6y ago
  I think you asked the wrong person for a source. I know it’s untrue, and I would expect that it would be necessary for evidence to accompany such a claim.
  - ProAm 6y ago
    I Think Room 641a put what you say clearly into question, [p]. THe government has hooks into Skype when MS bought them and it went from P2P to P2S2P. I firmly believe the government has direct access to MS, FB, Google, etc.... Either permissively or on their own volition. [p] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_641A https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_641A
    - lawnchair_larry 6y ago
      It wouldn’t, because it has nothing to do with the companies that were brought up. The skype thing is an old and very silly conspiracy theory. They didn’t rearchitect an entire product as a favor to the US government.
      - ProAm 6y ago
        [1] [2] [1] https://www.cnet.com/news/nsa-docs-boast-now-we-can-wiretap-skype-video-calls/ https://www.cnet.com/news/nsa-docs-boast-now-we-can-wiretap-... [2] https://lists.randombit.net/pipermail/cryptography/2013-May/004224.html https://lists.randombit.net/pipermail/cryptography/2013-May/... And room 641a
  - sn_master 6y ago
    How do you "know"? Even if you work inside Microsoft you wouldn't know that unless you're in one of very special positions there, in which case by saying what you're saying here you're violating your Microsoft and government NDA. e.g. I know the special Windows and Office builds that go to the DOD are prepared by a very small core of engineers to remove all telemetry code and such. The majority of the actual engineers who work on the product have no idea about and don't have access to the source code of those builds to know how different they are from the regular builds. Even the executives who work in those special projects can not have exact knowledge, and definitely not if they're not US citizens even if they are the actual managers of the engineers doing the work. The engineers can't tell their own bosses any details in those cases. What "evidence" on Earth do you think can anyone here provide that any company is cooperating with the US government? Closest we got were the Snowden documents, and those did actually indeed provide information that Microsoft in particular was sharing customer data with the US. I am okay if you want to say there is no evidence of data sharing, but I take issue when you say that lack of public evidence is itself evidence of not sharing.
    - lawnchair_larry 6y ago
      I didn’t say there is no sharing. The post said unfettered access. That isn’t the case.
      - sn_master 6y ago
        How do we verify that? All it takes is a single machine with the proper certificates to RDP the data center, the same way on call engineers do. The lack of existence of something like that is impossible to verify even for the data center employees. I am not saying there is access provided to the government, I am saying no one can say there isn't such access, simply because of how easy it is to have it without anyone knowing besides very higher up execs.

Source? I find claims like this, and the one on Wikipedia that AirForce One does not have missiles amusing. Its not like they'll tell us even if they do.

lawnchair_larry 6y ago
I think you asked the wrong person for a source. I know it’s untrue, and I would expect that it would be necessary for evidence to accompany such a claim.
- ProAm 6y ago
  I Think Room 641a put what you say clearly into question, [p]. THe government has hooks into Skype when MS bought them and it went from P2P to P2S2P. I firmly believe the government has direct access to MS, FB, Google, etc.... Either permissively or on their own volition. [p] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_641A https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_641A
  - lawnchair_larry 6y ago
    It wouldn’t, because it has nothing to do with the companies that were brought up. The skype thing is an old and very silly conspiracy theory. They didn’t rearchitect an entire product as a favor to the US government.
    - ProAm 6y ago
      [1] [2] [1] https://www.cnet.com/news/nsa-docs-boast-now-we-can-wiretap-skype-video-calls/ https://www.cnet.com/news/nsa-docs-boast-now-we-can-wiretap-... [2] https://lists.randombit.net/pipermail/cryptography/2013-May/004224.html https://lists.randombit.net/pipermail/cryptography/2013-May/... And room 641a
- sn_master 6y ago
  How do you "know"? Even if you work inside Microsoft you wouldn't know that unless you're in one of very special positions there, in which case by saying what you're saying here you're violating your Microsoft and government NDA. e.g. I know the special Windows and Office builds that go to the DOD are prepared by a very small core of engineers to remove all telemetry code and such. The majority of the actual engineers who work on the product have no idea about and don't have access to the source code of those builds to know how different they are from the regular builds. Even the executives who work in those special projects can not have exact knowledge, and definitely not if they're not US citizens even if they are the actual managers of the engineers doing the work. The engineers can't tell their own bosses any details in those cases. What "evidence" on Earth do you think can anyone here provide that any company is cooperating with the US government? Closest we got were the Snowden documents, and those did actually indeed provide information that Microsoft in particular was sharing customer data with the US. I am okay if you want to say there is no evidence of data sharing, but I take issue when you say that lack of public evidence is itself evidence of not sharing.
  - lawnchair_larry 6y ago
    I didn’t say there is no sharing. The post said unfettered access. That isn’t the case.
    - sn_master 6y ago
      How do we verify that? All it takes is a single machine with the proper certificates to RDP the data center, the same way on call engineers do. The lack of existence of something like that is impossible to verify even for the data center employees. I am not saying there is access provided to the government, I am saying no one can say there isn't such access, simply because of how easy it is to have it without anyone knowing besides very higher up execs.