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Proctorio’s behavior is certainly appalling. There should be restrictions on how much DMCA abuse is tolerated before sticking them into “timeout”. And if a legi

by c17r 6y ago

Proctorio’s behavior is certainly appalling. There should be restrictions on how much DMCA abuse is tolerated before sticking them into “timeout”. And if a legitimate need arises while in timeout, too bad so sad. The court case is particularly disgusting. He should win and get treble his court fees, though dunno if Canada has that. But having said that, I feel for schools as they have to do SOMETHING and there is just nothing good. Can’t have just the honor system cuz that’s worked so well. But if these systems are over the top (and they are) what do you do? I’m glad I’m not having to take tests using this kind of software. I tend to look around at other things when deep thinking. Even if no music on, I use N/C headphones to keep sounds out. Hell, if it’s particular hard problem I might start sub vocalizing as I work it through. All habits that would get me dinged left and right.

csharptwdec19 6y ago
> There should be restrictions on how much DMCA abuse is tolerated before sticking them into “timeout”. And if a legitimate need arises while in timeout, too bad so sad. Absolutely. The legal world even has a term for this already, "Vexatious Litigant" [0]. We need to start applying this to DMCA requests. [0] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vexatious_litigation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vexatious_litigation
- HowTheStoryEnds 6y ago
  It's perjury at 1 so strictly speaking there are restrictions. Problem is that it's too hard/costly to act upon them.
kaitai 6y ago
Change teaching so that they don't need proctoring. I say that as a teacher. But that's a ton of work, hard to do uniformly, depends a lot on the teacher's training and the number of students, depends a lot on institutional support for teachers....
- c17r 6y ago
  "Change teaching so that they don't need proctoring" sounds a bit like a "draw the rest of the owl".
- jackson1442 6y ago
  As a college student, I think the only important "anti-cheat" on exams should be ensuring that the registered student is the one taking the exams. Beyond that, if they want to use the internet or their notes, that is absolutely allowed. That _is_ how the world works, after all. Only tricky part is that the students themselves shouldn't be able to collaborate since that can lead to one student taking the entire exam and sharing the answers, or many splitting the questions. I guess that could be remedied with question pooling, just requires a bit more effort.
dragonwriter 6y ago
> There should be restrictions on how much DMCA abuse is tolerated before sticking them into “timeout”. DMCA safe harbor rules are a protection for users/hosts, not content owners. Anyone who gets a takedown notice can ignore it if they think the source is dishonest, and be at no greater risk than they would be without the safe harbor.

by c17r 6y ago

csharptwdec19 6y ago

> There should be restrictions on how much DMCA abuse is tolerated before sticking them into “timeout”. And if a legitimate need arises while in timeout, too bad so sad. Absolutely. The legal world even has a term for this already, "Vexatious Litigant" [0]. We need to start applying this to DMCA requests. [0] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vexatious_litigation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vexatious_litigation

HowTheStoryEnds 6y ago
It's perjury at 1 so strictly speaking there are restrictions. Problem is that it's too hard/costly to act upon them.

kaitai 6y ago

Change teaching so that they don't need proctoring. I say that as a teacher. But that's a ton of work, hard to do uniformly, depends a lot on the teacher's training and the number of students, depends a lot on institutional support for teachers....

c17r 6y ago
"Change teaching so that they don't need proctoring" sounds a bit like a "draw the rest of the owl".
jackson1442 6y ago
As a college student, I think the only important "anti-cheat" on exams should be ensuring that the registered student is the one taking the exams. Beyond that, if they want to use the internet or their notes, that is absolutely allowed. That _is_ how the world works, after all. Only tricky part is that the students themselves shouldn't be able to collaborate since that can lead to one student taking the entire exam and sharing the answers, or many splitting the questions. I guess that could be remedied with question pooling, just requires a bit more effort.

dragonwriter 6y ago

> There should be restrictions on how much DMCA abuse is tolerated before sticking them into “timeout”. DMCA safe harbor rules are a protection for users/hosts, not content owners. Anyone who gets a takedown notice can ignore it if they think the source is dishonest, and be at no greater risk than they would be without the safe harbor.