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I had a similar takeaway. The overall poor wording - odd number(s), bad words and grandeur - support the impression that it's a rage post, rather than a (at le

I had a similar takeaway. The overall poor wording - odd number(s), bad words and grandeur - support the impression that it's a rage post, rather than a (at least attempted) faithful, balanced, report of the fact.

elicash 6y ago
If her take is accurate -- and Google is free to tell their side, too -- why shouldn't she feel rage?
duiker101 6y ago
Of course it's a rage post, she feels awful, she even says it herself that she is still coping. That doesn't mean that it's any less credible, if you discredit it for those reasons the issue will just remain and keep going.
- beagle3 6y ago
  You are correct, of course. It doesn’t make it less credible, but it also doesn’t make it automatically credible. I have not yet had a chance to read the letter and all commentary, but I hear echos of Max Howell’s “google didn’t hire me because I cannot invert a binary tree”. It was obviously a rage post; it was obviously his impression of the interview (even though “inverting a binary tree”, being an ill-defined operation, is unlikely what they asked him to do). And following that affair, my impression was that he wasn’t hired for reasons other than his programming abilities - being a team player (and specifically not being a loose cannon) matters at least as much. I have no idea what the story is here, but taking one side or the other based on a single post (and prejudice) is not really helpful.
  - username90 6y ago
    It makes her post less credible, since it significantly raises the likelihood that she got fired for being toxic at work instead of whatever reason she didn't even mention.
peteretep 6y ago
"Tone policing is an ad hominem (personal attack) and anti-debate tactic based on criticizing a person for expressing emotion. Tone policing detracts from the validity of a statement by attacking the tone in which it was presented rather than the message itself." [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tone_policing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tone_policing
- pizza234 6y ago
  Well, yes and no. This isn't a post about, say, lock-free algorithms, which are, in nature, decoupled from human behavior. Her attitude _is_ part of the contention itself; for example, there's mention of a career block because she was perceived as intimidating, there's frequent self-flattery, there's an unprofessional insulting of the employer, and so on. Her position is supposed to be covered by a people's person. Of course, there is also at least one mention of colleagues' behavior that is, I suppose, straight illegal, and this is alarming. As I wrote, verbatim, this supports an impression. I didn't write she's wrong.
- username90 6y ago
  When a person complains in a toxic way about being unfairly fired then I'll believe that they got fired for being toxic rather than whatever thing they want to tell you. It isn't tone policing, it is just common sense. In other words, in this scenario her tone adds extra information, discussing it is therefore not an ad-hominem.
- mam2 6y ago
  Yes but OP is not tone policing to hide the truth. It's literally trying to understand the truth from the messages

elicash 6y ago

If her take is accurate -- and Google is free to tell their side, too -- why shouldn't she feel rage?

duiker101 6y ago

Of course it's a rage post, she feels awful, she even says it herself that she is still coping. That doesn't mean that it's any less credible, if you discredit it for those reasons the issue will just remain and keep going.

beagle3 6y ago
You are correct, of course. It doesn’t make it less credible, but it also doesn’t make it automatically credible. I have not yet had a chance to read the letter and all commentary, but I hear echos of Max Howell’s “google didn’t hire me because I cannot invert a binary tree”. It was obviously a rage post; it was obviously his impression of the interview (even though “inverting a binary tree”, being an ill-defined operation, is unlikely what they asked him to do). And following that affair, my impression was that he wasn’t hired for reasons other than his programming abilities - being a team player (and specifically not being a loose cannon) matters at least as much. I have no idea what the story is here, but taking one side or the other based on a single post (and prejudice) is not really helpful.
- username90 6y ago
  It makes her post less credible, since it significantly raises the likelihood that she got fired for being toxic at work instead of whatever reason she didn't even mention.

peteretep 6y ago

"Tone policing is an ad hominem (personal attack) and anti-debate tactic based on criticizing a person for expressing emotion. Tone policing detracts from the validity of a statement by attacking the tone in which it was presented rather than the message itself." [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tone_policing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tone_policing

pizza234 6y ago
Well, yes and no. This isn't a post about, say, lock-free algorithms, which are, in nature, decoupled from human behavior. Her attitude _is_ part of the contention itself; for example, there's mention of a career block because she was perceived as intimidating, there's frequent self-flattery, there's an unprofessional insulting of the employer, and so on. Her position is supposed to be covered by a people's person. Of course, there is also at least one mention of colleagues' behavior that is, I suppose, straight illegal, and this is alarming. As I wrote, verbatim, this supports an impression. I didn't write she's wrong.
username90 6y ago
When a person complains in a toxic way about being unfairly fired then I'll believe that they got fired for being toxic rather than whatever thing they want to tell you. It isn't tone policing, it is just common sense. In other words, in this scenario her tone adds extra information, discussing it is therefore not an ad-hominem.
mam2 6y ago
Yes but OP is not tone policing to hide the truth. It's literally trying to understand the truth from the messages