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And politics have infected every single discussion. Nowadays it's cool to be partisans, decades ago a teenager talking about politics would be dismissed with a

And politics have infected every single discussion. Nowadays it's cool to be partisans, decades ago a teenager talking about politics would be dismissed with a "get a hobby, nerd." It is an absolute disgrace how it's become normal. Or that mine is an unpopular opinion nowadays.

0xy 6y ago
Reddit stopped caring about political manipulation by organised bots and paid shills since before the 2016 election. In fact, PACs openly admitted to the practices during the election. Reddit absolutely doesn't care, they'd rather bombard you with ads and tracking garbage and pretend they're a viable platform through half-assed initiatives.
gdulli 6y ago
I don't understand. Why is it a disgrace that teenagers talk about politics, or are allowed to do so without being insulted?
- nitrogen 6y ago
  I think they were saying that the coolness of partisanship is what's disgraceful.
dlp211 6y ago
It's a disgrace that people have taken to discussing politics in a democratic-republic?
- sharatvir 6y ago
  I generally hear this sentiment from those who are self proclaimed “centrists” and are relatively unaffected by politics. It’s a little sad how many people think political discussion shouldn’t take place in democratic countries.
  - HexagonalKitten 6y ago
    There's a difference between discussion and the five-minute hate where people recite a list of manufactured transgressions. Most people who say we should discuss politics more seem to mean that we should affirm the local viewpoint.
dragonwriter 6y ago
> decades ago a teenager talking about politics would be dismissed with a "get a hobby, nerd." I was a teenager three decades ago. 1. No one would ever say “get a hobby, nerd” (“get a life...”, OTOH) 2. No one would say that about teens talking about politics, which non-nerd teenagers did commonly. They would say it about talking about computer code, though. > It is an absolute disgrace how it's become normal Why? > Or that mine is an unpopular opinion nowadays. The continuous political vigilance widely acknowledged to be necessary to prevent liberal democracy from devolving into tyranny is incompatible with the political disengagement you seem to prefer, so I think would be not at all a disgrace if your opinion were unpopular. Though lamenting political engagement isn't particularly unpopular (but, amusingly enough since it often is overtly tied to complaints about partisanship, seems particularly popular among partisans of the right.)
- thaumasiotes 6y ago
  > The continuous political vigilance widely acknowledged to be necessary to prevent liberal democracy from devolving into tyranny is incompatible with the political disengagement you seem to prefer This is backwards. The tyranny is caused by the vigilance.
  - dragonwriter 6y ago
    > The tyranny is caused by the vigilance. Not of those interested in liberty, but, sure of the vigilance of would by tyrants when met with the apathy of those who prefer liberty. “It is the common fate of the indolent to see their rights become a prey to the active. The condition upon which God hath given liberty to man is eternal vigilance; which condition if he break, servitude is at once the consequence of his crime and the punishment of his guilt.” —John Philpot Curran
- iKevinShah 6y ago
  I am not the original commentor but would like to address : > > It is an absolute disgrace how it's become normal > Why? I have seen where almost ALL discussions lead to judgement based on politics and that takes away from the core discussion point. What is the point of having separate subs then? For example take this link (https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/khlnyz/ronaldinho_on_twitter_dear_friends_my_mother_is/ https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/khlnyz/ronaldinho_o...), this was the top post on the subreddit when I saw it last night, the top-most comment is not about well wishes for his mother OR about how he thought about Covid OR whether or not he denied covid but rather the fact that he is "right-wing". Now I understand how bad it is but that is not the point of the sub. And that has become the norm , at least on reddit, which if not a disgrace, at least leaves a bad taste. I've seen people take time to go through your profile and dig out one comment and then label you, just one. That feels like a disgrace.
faizshah 6y ago
Kind of ironic that anti politics discussions seems to derail every HN thread these days.
zapataband1 6y ago
Idk what you define as being cool but here's Tom Morello destroying a guitar in front of a Nazi Lives Don't Matter screen. https://twitter.com/TerranSocialist/status/1340925049994424320 https://twitter.com/TerranSocialist/status/13409250499944243...

0xy 6y ago

Reddit stopped caring about political manipulation by organised bots and paid shills since before the 2016 election. In fact, PACs openly admitted to the practices during the election. Reddit absolutely doesn't care, they'd rather bombard you with ads and tracking garbage and pretend they're a viable platform through half-assed initiatives.

gdulli 6y ago

I don't understand. Why is it a disgrace that teenagers talk about politics, or are allowed to do so without being insulted?

nitrogen 6y ago
I think they were saying that the coolness of partisanship is what's disgraceful.

dlp211 6y ago

It's a disgrace that people have taken to discussing politics in a democratic-republic?

sharatvir 6y ago
I generally hear this sentiment from those who are self proclaimed “centrists” and are relatively unaffected by politics. It’s a little sad how many people think political discussion shouldn’t take place in democratic countries.
- HexagonalKitten 6y ago
  There's a difference between discussion and the five-minute hate where people recite a list of manufactured transgressions. Most people who say we should discuss politics more seem to mean that we should affirm the local viewpoint.

dragonwriter 6y ago

> decades ago a teenager talking about politics would be dismissed with a "get a hobby, nerd." I was a teenager three decades ago. 1. No one would ever say “get a hobby, nerd” (“get a life...”, OTOH) 2. No one would say that about teens talking about politics, which non-nerd teenagers did commonly. They would say it about talking about computer code, though. > It is an absolute disgrace how it's become normal Why? > Or that mine is an unpopular opinion nowadays. The continuous political vigilance widely acknowledged to be necessary to prevent liberal democracy from devolving into tyranny is incompatible with the political disengagement you seem to prefer, so I think would be not at all a disgrace if your opinion were unpopular. Though lamenting political engagement isn't particularly unpopular (but, amusingly enough since it often is overtly tied to complaints about partisanship, seems particularly popular among partisans of the right.)

thaumasiotes 6y ago
> The continuous political vigilance widely acknowledged to be necessary to prevent liberal democracy from devolving into tyranny is incompatible with the political disengagement you seem to prefer This is backwards. The tyranny is caused by the vigilance.
- dragonwriter 6y ago
  > The tyranny is caused by the vigilance. Not of those interested in liberty, but, sure of the vigilance of would by tyrants when met with the apathy of those who prefer liberty. “It is the common fate of the indolent to see their rights become a prey to the active. The condition upon which God hath given liberty to man is eternal vigilance; which condition if he break, servitude is at once the consequence of his crime and the punishment of his guilt.” —John Philpot Curran
iKevinShah 6y ago
I am not the original commentor but would like to address : > > It is an absolute disgrace how it's become normal > Why? I have seen where almost ALL discussions lead to judgement based on politics and that takes away from the core discussion point. What is the point of having separate subs then? For example take this link (https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/khlnyz/ronaldinho_on_twitter_dear_friends_my_mother_is/ https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/khlnyz/ronaldinho_o...), this was the top post on the subreddit when I saw it last night, the top-most comment is not about well wishes for his mother OR about how he thought about Covid OR whether or not he denied covid but rather the fact that he is "right-wing". Now I understand how bad it is but that is not the point of the sub. And that has become the norm , at least on reddit, which if not a disgrace, at least leaves a bad taste. I've seen people take time to go through your profile and dig out one comment and then label you, just one. That feels like a disgrace.

faizshah 6y ago

Kind of ironic that anti politics discussions seems to derail every HN thread these days.

zapataband1 6y ago

Idk what you define as being cool but here's Tom Morello destroying a guitar in front of a Nazi Lives Don't Matter screen. https://twitter.com/TerranSocialist/status/1340925049994424320 https://twitter.com/TerranSocialist/status/13409250499944243...