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When the hardcore believers from /r/The_Donald moved to Voat, I was happy that it was still possible for anyone to read what they were saying. Similar to a hone

When the hardcore believers from /r/The_Donald moved to Voat, I was happy that it was still possible for anyone to read what they were saying. Similar to a honeypot or sting operation, we are probably worse off when they scatter back to the shadows.

faitswulff 6y ago
I’m fairly sure both honeypots and sting operations were carried out on voat.
efwfwef 6y ago
All in all, these people think as hard as us that they are right, that they are the better people, that they have the better ideologies. I just can't fathom it. I'm convinced at this point that the only way to think about it is to understand that the IQ average of that group must be pretty low.
- DaiPlusPlus 6y ago
  EQ, not IQ. So much of right-wing politics is predicated in lacking empathy for others.
  - blargmaster42_8 6y ago
    EQ is not a thing.
  - flukus 6y ago
    Or both in the case of places like The_Donald and voat, there's very little intelligent discussion going on and the enemy is always the "elites". The elites aren't the 1%, they're experts like doctors and people with enough education to move to big cities.
  - efwfwef 6y ago
    I think it's both, it's not just an empathy thing because they do have empathy: but only for their family, their neighbors of colors, etc. It's more selective sure, but it's still empathy.
    - HexagonalKitten 6y ago
      I've seen conservatives say they feel (have empathy) for the women in Jacob Blake's life, and the children, but not for Jacob himself. Or at least not since he became an adult and chose to perpetuate the cycle. I think it's more complex than that all (or even most) republicans are racist.
- HexagonalKitten 6y ago
  I imagine that when you think yourself better than "them", you're thinking about mask-refusers, literal nazis, and (((dog whistlers))). And when they think of "you" they think of antifa druggies living in a park and burning down stores. We can't really demonize someone if they aren't a bit radical so we have to focus on the radicals. What I'm trying to say is that the idiots you see probably are dumb enough to think they're geniuses, but there's a huge invisible support base (on all sides) of non-radicals who are fairly rational. And I think experience is the biggest difference between the groups. If you've seen a neighboring store burned you feel one way, if you've seen a neighbor threatened you feel another. The problem then is sharing experiences honestly so we can construct a mutual view of reality and then discuss the same issues.
d3nj4l 6y ago
The hardcore believers from /r/The_Donald are on thedonald.win now. The place is as full of anti-semitism, racism and misogyny as you'd expect. It's a good place for a laugh every now and then, if you can stomach the hate.
- optimalsolver 6y ago
  How did they take the election loss?
  - sim0n 6y ago
    They haven't.
  - mrguyorama 6y ago
    Well seeing that even r/conservative still thinks Trump won and the democrats stole the election, I'm sure you can figure out the answer.
- dageshi 6y ago
  It'll get worse. Being on reddit anchored them to a wider community and gave them rules to abide by. This meant the true nastiness wasn't on display only hinted at. People drawn in by the memes from wider reddit weren't immediately repelled by the kind of nastiness that's on display in thedonald.win. Now they're on their own platform they have no anchor and no real rules, they'll "muh free speech" themselves to destruction.
vkou 6y ago
> we are probably worse off when they scatter back to the shadows. We aren't, because unlike a criminal conspiracy, political ideas are viral. They don't spread well in the shadows. Like with an epidemic, if you even slightly lower the r factor, those ideas lose much of their power. If you keep them in the light, if you normalize them, they spread like wildfire - as we have seen over the past few years.

faitswulff 6y ago

I’m fairly sure both honeypots and sting operations were carried out on voat.

efwfwef 6y ago

All in all, these people think as hard as us that they are right, that they are the better people, that they have the better ideologies. I just can't fathom it. I'm convinced at this point that the only way to think about it is to understand that the IQ average of that group must be pretty low.

DaiPlusPlus 6y ago
EQ, not IQ. So much of right-wing politics is predicated in lacking empathy for others.
- blargmaster42_8 6y ago
  EQ is not a thing.
- flukus 6y ago
  Or both in the case of places like The_Donald and voat, there's very little intelligent discussion going on and the enemy is always the "elites". The elites aren't the 1%, they're experts like doctors and people with enough education to move to big cities.
- efwfwef 6y ago
  I think it's both, it's not just an empathy thing because they do have empathy: but only for their family, their neighbors of colors, etc. It's more selective sure, but it's still empathy.
  - HexagonalKitten 6y ago
    I've seen conservatives say they feel (have empathy) for the women in Jacob Blake's life, and the children, but not for Jacob himself. Or at least not since he became an adult and chose to perpetuate the cycle. I think it's more complex than that all (or even most) republicans are racist.
HexagonalKitten 6y ago
I imagine that when you think yourself better than "them", you're thinking about mask-refusers, literal nazis, and (((dog whistlers))). And when they think of "you" they think of antifa druggies living in a park and burning down stores. We can't really demonize someone if they aren't a bit radical so we have to focus on the radicals. What I'm trying to say is that the idiots you see probably are dumb enough to think they're geniuses, but there's a huge invisible support base (on all sides) of non-radicals who are fairly rational. And I think experience is the biggest difference between the groups. If you've seen a neighboring store burned you feel one way, if you've seen a neighbor threatened you feel another. The problem then is sharing experiences honestly so we can construct a mutual view of reality and then discuss the same issues.

d3nj4l 6y ago

The hardcore believers from /r/The_Donald are on thedonald.win now. The place is as full of anti-semitism, racism and misogyny as you'd expect. It's a good place for a laugh every now and then, if you can stomach the hate.

optimalsolver 6y ago
How did they take the election loss?
- sim0n 6y ago
  They haven't.
- mrguyorama 6y ago
  Well seeing that even r/conservative still thinks Trump won and the democrats stole the election, I'm sure you can figure out the answer.
dageshi 6y ago
It'll get worse. Being on reddit anchored them to a wider community and gave them rules to abide by. This meant the true nastiness wasn't on display only hinted at. People drawn in by the memes from wider reddit weren't immediately repelled by the kind of nastiness that's on display in thedonald.win. Now they're on their own platform they have no anchor and no real rules, they'll "muh free speech" themselves to destruction.

vkou 6y ago

> we are probably worse off when they scatter back to the shadows. We aren't, because unlike a criminal conspiracy, political ideas are viral. They don't spread well in the shadows. Like with an epidemic, if you even slightly lower the r factor, those ideas lose much of their power. If you keep them in the light, if you normalize them, they spread like wildfire - as we have seen over the past few years.